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    But according to a person who socialized with Platner when he was living in Washington, D.C., more than a decade ago, Platner had specifically acknowledged that the tattoo was a Totenkopf, the “death’s head” symbol adopted by an infamous Nazi SS unit that guarded concentration camps in World War II.

    “He said, 'Oh, this is my Totenkopf,” the former acquaintance told Jewish Insider recently, speaking on the condition of anonymity to address a sensitive issue. “He said it in a cutesy little way.”

    The exchange occurred in 2012 at Tune Inn, a popular dive on Capitol Hill where Platner later worked as a bartender and was a frequent patron while he attended The George Washington University on the G.I. bill, according to the former acquaintance. He would often take his shirt off drinking with friends late at night at the bar, and on at least one occasion had stated he knew what the tattoo represented, the former acquaintance recalled.

    Platner gave varying accounts of the image during this time, saying at one point he was aware it was a Totenkopf when he had first gotten the tattoo several years prior and at another time claiming he had not known, according to the former acquaintance.

    The mixed accounts indicate that Platner has at least long been aware of the symbols’s connection to Nazism, even as he said in the podcast interview he was not familiar with any such association when he chose to get the tattoo.

    The source for this is Jewish Insider, which I’m sure people will say whatever they are going to say about that, but at some point this guys multiple red flags need to be taken as a pattern.

    Dude has a very clear pattern of making questionable choices in the most favorable reading of circumstances. His former campaign manager said this when resigning over Grahams past comments:

    “The words we choose to use online reflect who we are and what we stand for. While I am empathetic to Graham’s experiences and respect his personal journey and growth, I cannot overlook the volume and nature of his past comments, many of which were made as an adult, not as a young man.” McDonald said in her resignation letter.

    Y’all need to stop apologizing for this guy and start looking for a better candidate to get behind so it isn’t Janet Mills in the general.

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      Man, this is all a deep bummer. I’ve only been very tangentially paying attention to this race and was excited to see a candidate gaining a lot of momentum and with a lot of messaging i could generally get behind who could replace Susan shitfuck Collins. But, whoof, I dunno if I’ve ever experienced such a sudden and complete collapse of any interest in or support at all for a candidate in my life.

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      Hmm, looks like he was prejudice 10 years ago, and perhaps a white supremacist before that. But, he called rural-whites racist more recently (and they definitely are more racist in aggregate), so looks like his POV changed. IDK, that seems fine to me.

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        He has a nazi tattoo on his chest. Not, he got a nazi tattoo when he was young and drunk and didn’t know and as soon as he found out he got that shit covered up. He, to this day, has a Totenkopf tattoo. For the people in the back:

        ANY CANDIDATE WITH A NAZI TATTOO IS A NON-STARTER.

        Edit: Robert Evans sums it up well on Bluesky

        i liked how Platner was campaigning and I am prepared to believe a young marine could make literally any stupid mistake. but I don’t believe a guy could spend twenty years maturing politically the way he has and not know what a death’s head means

        if his attitude from the jump has been “I did this as a kid and have been ashamed of it since, it was a terrible mistake” I don’t think I’d mind. but he’s just not being honest here and that’s suspicious as hell.

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          Hey Puritan, I’m an American zoomer AND I DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT A TOTENKOPF WAS BEFORE YESTERDAY.

          May I remind you that most Americans didn’t even know that Lays potato chips were made out of potatoes, and so Lays is now changing up their marketing to get that fact across?

          I think you highly overestimate how intelligent people in America are. We have the average literacy rate of a 6th grader. Come on.

          If Platner gets it covered or removed in the next 1-2 weeks, no big deal. He’s positioning himself as a reformed veteran, and I’m willing to back him.

          We don’t have many other Left leaning candidates in non-Blue states!

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            Jfc, are you serious? I’m a puritan because I take issue with someone having a literal nazi tattoo. The election is a year away, find a better candidate to get behind before then, it’s that simple. Do you also believe that Elon Musk was just reaching for his heart and waving during Trump’s inauguration? Do you think that Pete Hegseth got a Deus Vult tattoo because it looks cool?

            Platner was a mercenary who served four tours in the middle east, has a tier-list of wars he would fight in, is into military history. Zero fucking chance he doesn’t know what that symbol is at this age.

            It is ok that you supported him. He said a lot of things that are worth getting behind. There is now more than enough information out there to realize that he is, at best, a political liability.

            Having a nazi tattoo is a non-starter for a political candidate. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Just because you are able to look past that, which you absolutely should not, you need to realize that he is unelectable to the general public. There is no amount of rehab to his image that can be done for this.

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              Platner isn’t perfect. Support him or don’t.

              And while you’re at it, support those other Left leaning, anti Zionist frontrunners for elections next year across the US. I’ll wait for those people to come to power while Platner takes names and kicks ass.

              Of course, if another candidate for the Maine Senate race appears and has better optics while championing the same views as Platner, I’m all for it.

              But let’s keep closeted leftists from taking office because they aren’t left enough.

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                That he wasn’t left enough wasn’t the criticism, and you know that. The criticism was specifically that there is reasonable doubt that the guy is a cryptofascist.

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                  There is a reasonable doubt. That’s true.

                  But people are taking that one step further and making it a certain doubt. People are disqualifying him entirely, which can be seen in others responding to me in this very thread.

                  People have different sus meters, and mine (and Bernie Sanders’) meters aren’t just there yet.

                  If he doesn’t get this removed and started to capitulate more and more to centrist liberals, then my support for Platner will wane.

                  I’d rather defend him than be apathetic to him right now.

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                    Reasonable doubt that the guy is a cryptofascist is disqualifying enough without the need for certainty. I do believe that people can change, and there are circumstances where I would accept someone like Platner into the progressive movement, but not in a leadership position, and not before he has proven himself with actions rather than just words. A lot of progressives - yourself included - are so desperate for leadership that they’re willing to look past several huge red flags for someone who says the right things. Consider for a moment the possibility that there are people out there who are aware of this particular vulnerability and willing to take advantage of it.

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                He has a nazi tattoo!! Wtf are you talking about? That is disqualifying, end of story.

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                  And he’s denounced it! Wtf do you want?

                  Why don’t you have this same smoke for the US Military that should have caught this time and time again?

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                    Where has he denounced it? In his rebuttal on Pod Save America he merely stated that he didn’t know what it was; which is obvious bullshit or he’s too much of an idiot to hold office. What I want is a candidate that doesn’t have a nazi tattoo on their chest, which somehow is not a dealbreaker for you. Be better.

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            Now that you know what it is, why are you defending it? He definitely didn’t just find out today, so the fact he still has it is a strong indicator of what he really believes.