A Russian magazine editor claims his publisher demanded he censor a book that mentions homosexuality in animals because it violates the country’s “LGBT propaganda” law.
Viktor Kovylin, editor of the scientific journal Batrachospermum, wrote on Telegram that his publisher told him the descriptions of same-sex behavior in a book on animal sexual behavior were against the law because they did not express “disgust or criticism” for the acts.
“Apparently, neutral scientific descriptions of homosexual behavior, without disgust or criticism, now fall under the category of propaganda for non-traditional relationships!” Kovylin wrote on Telegram, according to a translation.
Can someone explain to me why fascists are so obsessed with homosexuality and transgender topics?
Most of fascism has always been rooted in male sexual insecurity, this has been studied over and over, and exploited over and over.
Steve Bannon wrote in depth about how his tactic for radicalizing the country was to send agents into games like World of Warcraft and other places where lonely, disaffected young men hang out a lot, guys who obviously don’t have a lot of social experience because they’re gaming, and get them to start blaming their lack of success and sex on immigrants, leftists, feminism and progressive ideas. They were doing this back when the internet was new and we all still thought “incels” were a passing, fringe trend not worth addressing.
Moot, the founder of 4chan met with Jeffrey Epstein a day before he made the board /pol, which became the central radicalizing hangout for, you guessed it, lonely male gamers and nerds who were ready to blame their feelings on women, people of color and progressives instead of you know… the fact that they have thousands of hours in Hearts of Iron IV and then spend their remaining time on /pol.
It’s been a tactic for raising armies since the dawn of time. Get all the sexually frustrated young men together and say “THAT CASTLE OVER THERE IS WHY YOU GOT NO PUSSY, GO SACK 'EM” and it works amazingly well.
Also, they capitalize on sexual hangups to a massive degree, especially fear/attraction to men of other races. There’s a reason why “interracial cuckolding” became a huuuuge popular category of porn at the same time when these guys were writing manifestos about how we need to bring back segregation so women don’t “lose control” around black men and how we need to defend against “impurities in the bloodlines” and how other men’s semen stays inside a woman and the potency of black male semen and other homoeroticism. It’s an entire roleplay world that would be hilarious if it didn’t turn into a huge movement.
Quite interesting. I have to admit I was a long time incel myself and at the time these ideas would’ve resonated with me as well. Not hate on gay and trans people but on immigrants since they seemed to be more successful with women than me.
I feel like a lot of fascists try to bake in a lot of hierarchy as the natural order, that this is what nature intended.
Queer people end up being an example that the way nature is isn’t as clearly defined as the fascists say it should be
Seems this is #12 in Umberto Eco’s description of fascism and its hatred towards liberal progressivism:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
Gods I hate how real that is
Umberto Eco knew wtf he was talking about, he’s awesome
Because tolerance requires open mindedness and critical thinking. Two things that undermine a fascists regime when the entire population does that. By banning homosexuality the regime basically tells the people that they shouldn’t think beyond their first gut reaction. It’s okay to hate, it’s okay that the police beats up your gay neighbor, it’s okay to not think about it, it’s okay to not think at all.
Hm, I’m not sure. Fascists also sometimes also like their audience to “think differently”, e.g. disregard science, “wake up” and see the truth and or connect themselves with veganism and nature.
Fascism is syncretic hate. Both things can be and are true. To the hippies they sell the idea of returning to the land and living in harmony with nature (by opposing modern life and the tolerance it encourages), while to the social conservative it proposes either an idealized past or future before or after modern “degeneracy”.
It’s just a bunch of appeals to emotions where people are trained to ignore most of what is said and only listen to what resonates with them. Eventually they must act, but even that isn’t a clean organized thing, it’s leadership doing what resonated with them.
Yeah but they still need to forgo critical thinking. They should only think what Big Brother wants them to think, since publicly criticizing that neo paganism ideology would mean you get a visit from the secret police.
OG fascism aimed that everyone participate in building the Nation. Women’s role is supposed to be producing children, i.e., future soldiers and workers.
That’s the same idea than Christianity. Homosexuality and contraception do not lead to babies, so they are vilified.
Fun fact, the Hebrews had a belief about gametes that was almost exactly backwards: they believed that men had a limited amount of viable sperm they could produce in their lifetime, while women had no such limitation. This is why the Old Testament condemns male masturbation and gay sex (they waste potential children) but stays silent on the female equivalents.
It might be like with witches back in the day. If everybody hates witches, you can call any inconvenient person a witch and dispose them. The other thing is that it alignes with general backwards mentality.
My guess is that if you reproduce you’re more easily manipulated because of the need to provide for and protect your child.
Bonus points for also introducing a fresh mind ripe for absorbing fascist indoctrination.
This right here!
it’s an avenue for epstein style kompromat
Fascism is a radically conservative ideology obsessed with promotion of (what the fascist sees as) traditional values and behaviours. That includes cisheteronormativity, as queerness isn’t traditional anywhere.
I think their view of traditions is also very selective. E.g. in Germany they prefer to connect with paganism and scandinavian things and not actual German / Christian traditions.
It depends. I can’t speak to german neonazis, but the original ones had both the volkish paganism and positive Christianity. The former was an attempt to reconstruct pre Christian German religion, but the volkish movement was heavily built on just godawful archeology. The latter was a bastardization of Christianity in a way very similar to what you see in the US these days where the party and its line are core assumptions in interpretation of their Christianity.
That said, yeah the neonazis in America are also really into Norse paganism. I assume it’s because of the volkish influence or the big tough manly guy parts, and them not noticing that Odin does magic (which is womanly) and Loki is out there giving birth and siring kids. We also have a fair bit of really progressive Norse pagans here. Idk why but it seems to be the primary reconstructed paganism in the country in my experience.
I mean, isn’t it traditional in parts of south/south-east Asia?
And the Mediterranean… These people will gush about Rome and ignore the gallae, who were similar in role and experience to the hijra
I’d say that the idolisation of a fictional, ideal which society should strive towards but never achieve, allows focusing of opposition. If it weren’t for the gays/trans/gypsies/Muslims/immigrants/unemployed/trade unionists (delete as applicable) then society would be as it was used to be, which is always perfect and better than it is now. Of course as society will never be perfect, there must alway be a new group to blame for failure to meet the necessary ideal.
It’s only my theory however; it’s comes down to babys and education, if your population is making babys and lots of them at a young age, things like education and quality of life can suffer dues to having to support kids. Lack of education leads you to belie ving in propaganda more easily. Also lack of education makes you more likely to have kids younger and in less than ideal financial situation. More kids with less education, means it’s easier to populate a military. Hopefully you get the idea and sweeping generalisations I’ve made. Now homosexuals and by proxy transgender don’t produce children (ignoring adoption etc etc) so they aren’t what the dictators want and they also might give the heterosexuals ideas about not have kids, or at least delaying it, getting and education etc etc. then add in a sprinkling of religion, also good to control uneducated masses, and you have the perfect population for dictator/fascist control
Tldr: they want an uneducated baby producing population
Sounds plausible but it also a very “long” game, taking at least one additional generation into their teenage years. I guess there are some of them thinking on that level but I have the feeling that the average fascist doesn’t plan ahead very far or at has at least a very distorted time perception (e.g. they feel like the white “race” being replaced fearmongering is an urgent topic).