• misk@piefed.socialOP
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    13 hours ago

    This is with all the free compute they’re getting from Microsoft, who are MUCH deeper in the hole on their LLM business profitability.

    • eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      12 hours ago

      Even then they’re still pumping money to MSFT

      In the 2025 calendar year, OpenAI paid Microsoft $10.59 billion for “Research and development” expenses. We believe this most likely refers to the cost of training OpenAI’s models.

      The documents also mention a $6.047 billion charge related to “cost of revenue,” a $527 million charge for sales and marketing, and $42 million in “general and administrative expenses.” In total, OpenAI’s expenses to Microsoft amounted to $17.2 billion.

      I’m starting to think this is not all on the up and up.

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        10 hours ago

        “cost of revenue” sounds like “cost of goods sold” in a business with tangible products. Rather. It cost $6 of cloud to sell that $34 service

        R&D can probably be amortized over the lifetime of the product, in this case the model’s useful sellable lifetime. But a chunk of that is renting compute from MS and the bill’s due.

        Doesn’t sound any more fishy than any other business throwing $b around.

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          3 hours ago

          It looks a lot like round-tripping to me, big chunks of that money being spent on OpenAI was invested by MSFT in the first place.

          “I’m making a capital investment in open AI, oh look an equal amount came back in as expenditures on my cloud service!”