I don’t want to spend 1000€ on a new phone. I hope they make it possible to install GrapheneOS on their budget phones as well. I am buying used Motorola phones for 150-200€ for years now, works great. In don’t need to play FortNite on my mobile or whatever people do with those specs.
I feel like in [current year] we need to get privacy phones in as many people’s hands as fast as possible. It should be priority #1, not a stretch goal
The chips do not support the features required it is as simple as that. Their eventually come to budget phones is them thinking that the features required well eventually get put into midrange chips.
It is as simple as that.
Ask Qualcolm to put those features in their midrange SOCS.
Personally I’m more interested in the sandboxing and non-Google features of Graphene. It kind of feels like they’ve decided that if everything isn’t supported then it isn’t worth supporting at all. But I don’t see any reason why they can’t have a “lite” version that I can install on my current phone. I don’t want to pay so much for a new phone
But it’s a tough call on Graphene’s part too - right now only us in-the-know have any awareness of the implications of Graphene’s approach (security first) or even alternative OS for Android devices.
They probably think getting that out to the greater public is the crucial first step - get that accepted as a thing.
Also, by the time the general public is using Graphene devices, other phones may be shipping with the necessary hardware. Remember, most people are buying new phones every couple years when their old one starts misbehaving - to most people a phone is a toaster.
The devs would need hardware functionality which is only found in a handful of phones all which are expensive. You are unlikely to find a cheaper device getting support.
I hope they make it possible to install GrapheneOS on their budget phones as well.
Not within Graphene’s intent, alas.
Still, from the fact that this deal worked (so far…) I now expect other Custom ROMs such as lineage to reach deals with manufacturers to release the bootloader relock keys for near-EOL (or even EOL) devices that are already on the market. The way I see it, it’s a win-win: the segment of people who are privacy or environmentally conscious were not going to buy a new phone from them or the competition anyway, so securing that they continue your brand gives you the option of data input to tailor next models to them, prevents ewaste from going into the environment, and keeps phones of the brand circulating in need for repairs or replacement parts which means the brand can license parts and operations.
It is within their intent. Their problem is that there’s literally no chipsets (apart from Tensors, last gen top-tier Snapdragons and Apple Silicon) that support required hardware security features. Once the chips start supporting required features, and OEMs provide access to the drivers, kernel and stuff, it should be possible to have fully functional GOS regardless of the phone price.
Yeah, but you’re missing out on the biggest reason to upgrade to the latest shiny new phone. You get to feel all smug and show it off to all your friends who still have last year’s phone.
I don’t want to spend 1000€ on a new phone. I hope they make it possible to install GrapheneOS on their budget phones as well. I am buying used Motorola phones for 150-200€ for years now, works great. In don’t need to play FortNite on my mobile or whatever people do with those specs.
The devs have confirmed that GrapheneOS will eventually work on more budget options, but initially will only be available for flagship models
I feel like in [current year] we need to get privacy phones in as many people’s hands as fast as possible. It should be priority #1, not a stretch goal
The chips do not support the features required it is as simple as that. Their eventually come to budget phones is them thinking that the features required well eventually get put into midrange chips.
It is as simple as that.
Ask Qualcolm to put those features in their midrange SOCS.
Personally I’m more interested in the sandboxing and non-Google features of Graphene. It kind of feels like they’ve decided that if everything isn’t supported then it isn’t worth supporting at all. But I don’t see any reason why they can’t have a “lite” version that I can install on my current phone. I don’t want to pay so much for a new phone
I think there are two reasons for that:
It should be possible to build a soft-fork of GOS for probably any device that supports e.g. LineageOS, but no one wants to do it.
I’m with you.
But it’s a tough call on Graphene’s part too - right now only us in-the-know have any awareness of the implications of Graphene’s approach (security first) or even alternative OS for Android devices.
They probably think getting that out to the greater public is the crucial first step - get that accepted as a thing.
Also, by the time the general public is using Graphene devices, other phones may be shipping with the necessary hardware. Remember, most people are buying new phones every couple years when their old one starts misbehaving - to most people a phone is a toaster.
The devs would need hardware functionality which is only found in a handful of phones all which are expensive. You are unlikely to find a cheaper device getting support.
Not within Graphene’s intent, alas.
Still, from the fact that this deal worked (so far…) I now expect other Custom ROMs such as lineage to reach deals with manufacturers to release the bootloader relock keys for near-EOL (or even EOL) devices that are already on the market. The way I see it, it’s a win-win: the segment of people who are privacy or environmentally conscious were not going to buy a new phone from them or the competition anyway, so securing that they continue your brand gives you the option of data input to tailor next models to them, prevents ewaste from going into the environment, and keeps phones of the brand circulating in need for repairs or replacement parts which means the brand can license parts and operations.
It is within their intent. Their problem is that there’s literally no chipsets (apart from Tensors, last gen top-tier Snapdragons and Apple Silicon) that support required hardware security features. Once the chips start supporting required features, and OEMs provide access to the drivers, kernel and stuff, it should be possible to have fully functional GOS regardless of the phone price.
Yeah, but you’re missing out on the biggest reason to upgrade to the latest shiny new phone. You get to feel all smug and show it off to all your friends who still have last year’s phone.
/s
Same
If they have mte, updates, etc, they would