Hmm how do you define kinks then?

I really think oral sex is so normal it’s never really been a kink except in the strictest communities.

I agree kinks don’t have to be ‘new’ to be a kink, but I was referring to the link to porn. While it has existed for longer, it’s only really been accessible to everyone for a century or so.

As I understand it, in Holland they also have a thing called predestination, where they think their lives have already been decided for them including any sins they might commit, and including whether they go to heaven or hell. So there’s nothing really they can do about it during their lives. I don’t know if this is a specific branch. It always sounded pretty grim to me, though on the other hand I would think like “hey let’s go wild because whatever do it won’t matter anyway”. But I probably grossly misunderstand the idea. Friends from that community have assured me that it definitely does not work that way 😅

Community also plays a big role in it, much bigger than I’ve seen in Catholicism. As in more judgmentally so.

I’m neither but I’ve lived in many places :)

Ah ok I never thought of it that way. That makes sense in a weird way (sorry)

Ps after 20 hours of ass pounding I’d need more than my soul to be saved 😅

Yes I know that oral was not practiced a lot in the past within marriages in particular (though during the war in brothels I’m sure it was). But why do you think it’s particularly kinky?

I agree in terms of deep throating, that’s a bit of a kink and I personally don’t like doing it (even as the one being deep throated). That was popularized by its namesake movie I think.

But normal oral how is that so kinky? I personally love it, it’s a lot more gentle than regular sex. And it tastes so good 🤭 I even love doing that for hours (both ways) and skipping the penetration part altogether. 😋 But oral kinda feels like it’s meant to be done.

It’s not really a modern thing as such either. The kama sutra features a ton of it, including gay and lesbian versions.

Yes the exact same happened here in Holland 30 years ago when it was legalised. It became a deeply uncool “stoner” thing and none of my friends did it.

Unfortunately the countries around us kept calling hell all those years until it finally became a common thing.

Hmm interesting take! I didn’t think of it like that.

I do indeed enjoy learning and also chaos (and what you call gray areas), but I’m very ADHD. A bit autistic too but when it comes to rules the ADHD definitely takes the lead.

I have no idea what you’re referring to :)

I’m not sure if this applies to all denominations. The Calvinists I spoke of don’t do confession and there’s definitely no forgiveness.

I don’t know, I’m very sex-positive and I enjoy porn. Sometimes I even learn new things I like from it. I don’t doube for a minute that it’s real and I would not apply it to vanilla people (my more kinky friends however yes if I know they’re into something).

I don’t really think my stepsister will get stuck in the washing machine. Does it form sexual behaviour and practices? Probably yes. I’m sure a lot of people try squirting now, which was popularised in porn. Is that bad? No, I don’t think so at all. Why would it be? Sex knows fashions just like other human behaviour.

Being trans to them is actively paedophilic because it exposes children to the concept of sexuality and gender. Sex ed will be paedophilic to them because it does the same. Each person’s actions are not the sole thing that defines them, but also their position in society as dictated by “what it has always been”. Men have always led households by marrying women and having kids, therefore men that don’t are a threat.

Our own minds will expose us to sexuality way before the age of 18 though. This is why it’s so important to have sex ed. So that kids with feelings won’t go messing around (together!) and not knowing what’s what. In Holland we’ve always had that pretty early so teenage pregnancies were super low but lately the conservative forces have also taken hold there. It’s blowing over on social media. So now a lot of parents are up in arms over it especially in the mostly religious regions.

It’s why most of the conservative rhetoric revolves around “being taken advantage of” or “being scammed by” this or that group. They love stories about immigrants exploiting the system, cheating or stealing because it proves their worldview that what’s foreign and unknown is out to get them. It is an ideology driven by fear.

Yes but it somehow seems to resonate more than it should. I wonder if some people have an innate need for being told what to do. I absolutely don’t, I’m very anti-authoritarian. But really the religious conservative life is pretty shit. You have to go to church, have all these boring life rules, you can’t have sex with other consensual adults, etc etc. Being left-wing is much more free. Yet people choose to follow religion. I think the indoctrination as a child plays a role in this but I don’t really think it would catch on so much if it didn’t fill an innate need.

I am honestly not surprised.

I knew some people in the calvinist bible-belt regions in Holland (they’re very strict, a bit similar to mormon, almost amish-like in terms of strictness except not having any aversion to technology). For example washing a car on sunday is absolutely out of the question and most people wear black those days. If you don’t show up in church the whole village will hate you.

Anyway so the video rental shops in those regions were buzzing with the worst kinda porn. One of my friends managed video rental shop and he said the relative porn amount was 2-3x bigger than in the city areas.

This is for people for whom porn is highly illegal according to their religion. Somehow it causes some kind of attraction for them.

I’m very atheist and sex-positive and very much into kink, polyamory etc but it was never because of the ‘forbidden’ element for me. So I find it hard to understand that. But I’ve definitely seen it being a big thing yes.

I think they already came