it wasn’t good, you just threw some shit in a bowl and went “ooh argument”
Is it acceptable for a white person to tell another white person they’re “acting like an [n-word]?” Yes or no.
again, i’m not saying that people are acting like retards, i’m calling them one. There’s a contextual difference that you don’t seem to understand.
Now if we’re going to fix that argument for you, free of charge you would say something like “is it ok for a white person to call another white person the N word?” could go either way depending on the context. Heavily context dependent usage.
Yes. 🤦 Jfc, “asking me not to use a slur against disabled people is a slippery slope to asking me not to tell people to kill themselves.” Fucking, good!
how many times do i have to explain that im not using it against disabled people.
yes? Legally hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so by definition something must be classified as hate speech, racism for example. Generally hate speech. I don’t know if this word specifically would be.
I guess you could subjectively classify it as hate speech, but there is a lot of hateful speech out there, so that might get redundant pretty quick.
i think the biggest problem is that it’s a less effective use of time, you could spend that time on something more productive, like building a better community, or improving support for marginalized groups, but no we’re hear yelling about joe rogan being stupid instead.
At the end of the day, i just don’t think it’s very productive.
Can you please use the word in a context that is not insulting?
lets say for example, you left your car outside, and it rained, and after the storm passed you realized you left the windows down. I would say that it would be a pretty “retarded situation” my response would probably be something along the lines of “well that was retarded” both literally, and on my end.
How would you describe someone or something as “retarded” without implying that there is something wrong with the person or thing?
If i’m using it to insult people, i’m referring to people who have a functional neurology, and aren’t actively using it, for whatever reason. As opposed to people who are intellectually/developmentally disabled/challenged whatever you want to use works, who cannot function on that level. There’s nothing inherently wrong with having a lowered level of neurological function. There is something inherently wrong with being so obtuse you obscure your own intelligence in stupidity, and be a retard in the process.
If i’m referring to something stupid i did and it’s not a person. Something like the previous car example. I might design or build something, and in the process i realize i’ve made a significant mistake, misplaced some key component, and done something irreversible that needs to be undone, that would be retarded.
I mean, if you literally google the definition of retard it says: “to stay back” “put off, post pone, or delay” Of course the perjorative version was historically used to insult people, specifically those of a lower intelligence. But just because it was once used that way, doesn’t necessarily mean i’m using it that way now.
whenever i say it, i’m almost exclusively not referencing people who are developmentally challenged, i’m referencing people who are fucking stupid. You could call them developmentally challenged, but then you’re just doing the retard thing that happened to make it a pejorative in the first place. And even then, that’s not necessarily true because it’s such a sterile definition.
i don’t even necessarily disagree with that argument. I just don’t think it’s really all that relevant. I’m not even sure most people would disagree with it.
Obviously you should be nice to people, you probably shouldn’t be an asshole, and you should help them as much as possible, but like, how many of us actually do that?
It’s sort of like telling someone who smokes, that it’s bad for them, they know, you don’t need to remind them.
yeah, ultimately the only thing worse than unbridled bigotry, is misplaced accusations of bigotry. That’s one of the unfortunate things with this problem, and similar ones like it, is that unless you judge it by the character of the context, it can be really wide sweeping sometimes.
we’re all a little retarded at the end of the day, if you squint hard enough, it might even be pretty retarded. Because there isn’t anything to see, it’s a metaphor.
Anyway, this joke has overstayed it’s welcome, i will be on my way now.
If the n-word was used to describe people acting stupid would you feel comfortable with that? What if no black people complained about it? Would that make it okay?
it depends on how far back you go with this one, if you were to remove the racial pretense from it entirely yeah it would probably be fine.
But if you just sort of retconned it in like 1970 through timetravel or something, i mean it would also be fine because nobody would know what it previously was, but hypothetically that wouldn’t be ok, because it’s historical roots are the same.
Its the history and usage of the word that matters. Given enough time, the n word will probably lose it’s vile status and become more casual. Like every other word before it.
i dont always use it to insult others, and nothing would stop me from using the f slur with my friend group either, gay or not.
You could make the argument that it is offensive to use the word, but that’s kind of the point. (not to any specific group of people though)