For sure. Its actually even worse, in the ‘article’ it says their ride was cancelled.
Well, the Tesla Robotaxi cancels your fare and drops you off in the rain, that’s what happens. Seriously! Can’t make this stuff up
Except… YOU CAN make it up!
I wonder if anyone actually watched the video…
The car dropped them off at their planned location. They were told service may not be available for the next ride due to weather, but they did get another car in the end anyway. They were forced to exit at the end of the ride as everyone is. Then they got another ride. They weren’t dumped.
Edit: Would they be dumped, it’s possible, but that’s not what happened here.
This was their destination, which they then affirm they chose in the “dumped” portion -> “Unfortunately, we chose basically a park with no cover to be dropped off”, and they have text added to the screen “we got to our location via robotaxi, but weather became a concern”
I’d rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.
To start ya. It’ll eventually be all their models, we’ll… probably not the CT.
So the headline is pretty inaccurate.
There will be a person in the passenger seat. They aren’t a safety driver, or driver at all. They’ve been operating with an actual safety driver for around a year now for employees only.
We don’t really know what they’ll do, but I highly doubt it’s jump for the wheel if it’s about to do something. I think it’s going to be more of a, the car decides it can’t do anything and is just sitting there incorrectly and they won’t have to dispatch someone to fix it like Waymo does. This could be a legitimate saftey issue if the car is just stuck on the road.
Once they’re happy it’s not getting in situations like that they’ll remove the person and dispatch people as needed.
But we won’t know for a few more days when we get reports of what they’re doing while the first people test it.
The purpose built one coming in 2026 is a 2 seater. This launch is using the new Model Y’s
Headline later…
90% of people with autism were vaccinated! Vaccines cause autism!
Actual data later
90% of the population is vaccinated. The rate of autism in the 90% and remaining unvaccinated 10% is exactly the same.
Portions in the US tend to just be larger as well. So you’re eating larger portions of bad food.
Except they can’t really because of the above which was explicitly to prevent trickery like that.
I knew they wouldn’t necessarily investigate it, that’s always their discretion, but I had no idea there was no actual bite to the rule if they didn’t comply. That’s stupid.
AEB braking was originally designed to not prevent a crash, but to slow the car when a unavoidable crash was detected.
It’s since gotten better and can also prevent crashes now, but slowing the speed of the crash was the original important piece. It’s a lot easier to predict an unavoidable crash, than to detect a potential crash and stop in time.
Insurance companies offer a discount for having any type of AEB as even just slowing will reduce damages and their cost out of pocket.
Not all AEB systems are created equal though.
Maybe disengaging AP if an unavoidable crash is detected triggers the AEB system? Like maybe for AEB to take over which should always be running, AP has to be off?
Well it’s not that it was a crash caused by a level 2 system, but that they’ll investigate it.
So you can’t hide the crash by disengaging it just before.
Looks like it’s actually 30s seconds not 10s, or maybe it was 10s once upon a time and they changed it to 30?
The General Order requires that reporting entities file incident reports for crashes involving ADS-equipped vehicles that occur on publicly accessible roads in the United States and its territories. Crashes involving an ADS-equipped vehicle are reportable if the ADS was in use at any time within 30 seconds of the crash and the crash resulted in property damage or injury
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-06/ADAS-L2-SGO-Report-June-2022.pdf
I think the older Tesla system (HW3) was around 300w, but I think the newer system is more now as they beefed up the compute, but I haven’t seen a number on that. The old system is pretty much maxed out though with no room to grow other then making things more efficient vs just more raw power usage.
A lot of the older hardware back then wasn’t purpose built for driving and was more repurposed general graphical compute, so it was less efficient hence the 2Kw you were seeing. Tesla built ASICs for the driving computer to bring costs and power usage down.
With the newer purpose built Nvidia stuff I’m sure that has brought the power draw down a lot though, likely relatively close (better or worse I don’t know) than Tesla’s watt per performance.
edit: clarity
A mile per hour is probably about right, but that’s probably per lidar. Waymo has 4 for example, so on a 300mile vehicle that could be 17 miles at 70mph.
Even if you can make it aerodynamic it’s still not going to be as aerodynamic as it not being there.
Sunk cost fallacy make sense, but I’d say it’s also the fear of the massive lawsuit/upgrade cost if wrong due to his statements.
Ya, no redundancy is a problem for sure.
Because the car actually does stop for things that aren’t fake walls made to look like a road, and at least for people as tested by testing agencies
This is the euro NCAP testing.
Note: not all of these cars have lidar, but some do.
Oops haha, 10 seconds.
That’s not really true.
He use lidar in SpaceX because he knows it’s the right tool for their specific job.
His stance is it’s not that cameras are better, but that cameras have to be so good for a truly AV that putting effort into both means you’re not going to make your cameras good enough to do it and rely on lidar instead. That and cost.
If the car can’t process and understand the world via cameras, it’s doomed to fail at a mass scale anyway.
It might be a wrong stance, but it’s not that lidar is flawed.
Tesla even uses lidar to ground truth their cameras
Edit: just adding a late example - Waymo, Cruise, and probably everyone out there still use humans to tell the car what to do if it gets stuck. I even bet Tesla will if they ever launch a robotaxi as they need a way to somehow help the car if it gets stuck. When we see these failures with Waymo and Cruise, it’s less “is something there” and more “I don’t understand this situation”. The understanding comes from vision. Lidar just gives the something is there, but it isn’t solving their problem.
They were much more expensive years ago when the decisions were made to not use it. Costs have come down a lot. And cars can have more than 1 if you’re going to use it. That also means more compute needed so a stronger computer and more power draw meaning less milage, which means bigger battery for same mileage. It all adds up.
Edit: might even impact aerodynamics, which again means more battery, which is more expensive.
All ridiculouness aside like him showing videos of him playing games, I was gonna be like, how do you suppose he sends emails or writes his posts on X?
But they counted his phone as something separate to a computer.