That’s the problem with discussion like this I talk about x you hear y you respond with z and I hear w. Happy news to you to.

I’m counting western capitalism Europe, USA, western aligned Asia pacific nations etc as I think that’s a fair comparison to make in the context of communism given I only considered the USSR and not other “communist nations”.

I’m aware of the nitpick I’m purposely presenting technically true facts in a manner most advantageous to my argument (same as any journalist does). I’ve done plenty of research I even went and read the communist manifesto so I could understand its true intentions (they got the societal diagnosis correct just the treatment is complete bullshit imo).

60million dead people is bullshit hey? That’s 10x what Hitler did in the holocaust. Being predictable doesn’t change the facts that your supporting and pushing an ideology responsible for 60million dead people. That’s literally 10times as bad as supporting Nazism if we are going by human lives taken.

Ownership is simply the word we use to describe the person who ultimately controls and is thus responsible for any particularly thing. Please describe a system in ownership isn’t a thing. The only one I can think of is anarchy until someone finds a gun and announces that everything now belongs to them and that their is nothing u can do about it

If only their was a system that incentivised competition and used that as a power to drive innovation and progress.

That is possibly the worst faith interpretation of my statement. Everything is owned by someone not necessarily the same someone. For instance I own and am thus responsible for my property, someone else is responsible for their property hence everything is owned by someone.

What’s the functional difference between communism and a monarchy? In both cased all property is owned by “the state” and can exercise control over that property however they please. Democracy doesn’t work cos the people have no control of any property and thus are completely beholden to the state. Good luck protesting against the government when you have no food, water, means to communicate, and travel. What are u gonna do about the inevitable authoritarian takeover? Die?

U clearly have no idea how NASA actually accomplished man in the moon. Most of the rocket and infrastructure was built and designed by private companies being paid by NASA. NASA just did the integration, design, and analysis. Its the perfect example of a socialist policy taking advantage of capitalist industry.

Capitalism, communism, socialism, and feudalism have nothing to do with democracy. They for the most part only refer to property in how its owned, who owns it, and what is property. Marx says everything that is not a person or a person labour is property owned by the state.

This is a direct analogue to feudalism and its structure of property ownership. Under feudalism the state owns everything including you, under communism the state owns everything except you. Marx himself comments on the similarity and how that relationship can be leveraged to bring in a communist regime.

The USSR never put a man on the moon. And what your implying here is that the USSR was communism? If so the genocides and mass starvation it caused should be enough evidence against communism.

Yeah but being a serial killer doesn’t add anything to society. Bourgeois ownership of property and the competition that creates (capitalism) put a man on the moon and given you a better life than the aristocrats the bourgeois overthrew. How many people have serial killers raised out of poverty?

OK Marx sure. So what do u replace it with? Someone has to “own” ie control all the things and if u just hand it all over to some entity “the state” you have just reinvented aristocracy.

Its all well and good to hate on the Bourgeois until you become one at which point the proletariat are your problem.

Can we not just ban news orgs cos they have beleifs u dont like. For discussion to take place u need a varied source of opinions and points of view.