Yes, I know what you were referring to, I know how nested comments work.
Now, what I was referring to was:
there’s no evidence for a god which acts like that
Now, you want to claim that God would not kill people for not going to church.
Cool, but even if he DID. It STILL wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did, or has plans to do. Not even including the moral imperative to kill whoever the fuck he wants because ‘he created them’ (what even is this argument…)
But i digress;
God gave you a son.
No, bro, I’m almost certain I was the one who got my partner pregnant.
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
If you want to claim God gave me a son, then you’ll first have to convince me God exists.
God wouldn’t kill people for going to church. That’s what I said.
wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did,
Yeah because such a list would be empty
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where? Pieced each bone into it’s place? Set the colour of his eyes? Drew out his fingerprints? Laid down each muscle and wired each nerve?
Can you do that?
Can you be convinced? What evidence would you expect to have to convince you? Some people cannot be convinced that the earth is round, that climate change is real, evolution is a real observable process of nature or that vaccines are safe and effective.
Empty? You’ve clearly never read your own book. Here’s just a taste:
The Flood – God drowns almost every human, animal, and child on Earth (Genesis 7).
The Plagues of Egypt – including killing the firstborn of every Egyptian family (Exodus 12:29).
Ordering Genocide – wiping out the Amalekites, including infants and animals (1 Samuel 15:3).
Lot’s Wife – turned to salt for the crime of looking back (Genesis 19:26).
Killing Kids for Mockery – sending bears to maul 42 children for calling Elisha “baldy” (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Hardening Pharaoh’s Heart – deliberately making him resist so God could “show His power” by killing more people (Exodus 9:12).
Jephthah’s Daughter – forced human sacrifice of his own child to fulfill a vow to God (Judges 11:30-39).
David’s Census Punishment – God slaughters 70,000 Israelites because David counted them (2 Samuel 24:15).
Job’s Torture – God lets Satan kill Job’s children and ruin his life as part of a bet (Job 1-2).
Eternal Hellfire – condemning billions of people to infinite torture for finite “sins” (Matthew 25:46).
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where?
No, and neither did God. That’s the point. I provided DNA, biology did the rest. By your logic, I didn’t “make dinner” unless I forged the cutlery and mined the iron for the stove. Dumb standard.
Can you do that?
Can God? Unless you can prove he exists, you’re just putting a holy sticker on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Some people cannot be convinced…
Yeah, flat earthers, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers… and theists.
Here’s the thing though, if I cannot be convinced, whose fault is that?
Because I don’t believe in god that means I’ll go to hell, right?
Why is it that the benchmark for being accepted into heaven is throwing away epistemic and logical foundations?
Why is it fair to throw me to down to hell because those specific qualities are universally valuable EXCEPT for when we use them to evaluate whether its reasonable to believe in God without evidence?
Doesn’t God know the future? Doesn’t God know that every condition that led me to this moment would cause me to reject any answer you’ve got for me?
Doesn’t that mean he set me up to fail?
That is REALLY fucking stupid. Like, literally, definitionally stupid.
Everything you’ve listed are instances of God punishing evil. Are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven without punishment? If that’s the casewould you then complain that God isn’t punishing evil? In many cases, you find instances of Atheists both complaining that evil currently exists, and then gets mad when it is punished! What a contradiction.
I provided DNA, biology did the rest
Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?
You made dinner with your creativity. You designed it. Is it cruel to the dinner that you will eat it and boil it in your stomach acid?
Unless you can prove he exists
One can prove, but if you’re unwilling to accept proof, then that’s a different story.
on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Who designed that process? And do we really understand it? Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.
Everything you’ve listed are instances of God punishing evil.
Flooding babies.
Killing firstborns.
Sending bears to shred kids for saying “baldy”
Torturing Job to win a bet.
That’s not “punishing evil”. that’s cosmic tantrums.
If a human did it, you’d call it evil.
You only excuse it because you slap “God” on the front. That’s divine command theory. might makes right. Which isn’t morality, it’s just fear dressed up as worship. Ironically, its the same logic which fascists like Hitler use.
are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven?
Strawman. Nobody said “let Hitler into heaven”.
But drowning toddlers and nuking towns isn’t “justice”, it’s indiscriminate slaughter. If God’s only two settings are “do nothing” or “kill everyone” that’s a design flaw, not justice.
Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?
Same tired “who made X” game.
Who made God?
If you say “He always existed”, then congratulations, you just admitted things can exist without being created. Which means biology doesn’t need your sky-dad either.
You made dinner with your creativity. Is it cruel to the dinner that you boil it in your stomach acid?
False analogy.
My dinner isn’t a conscious being. If I invited you over and drowned your kid in my soup “to punish evil” you wouldn’t call it dinner. You’d call the cops.
(Furthermore, I’m vegan, so my meals don’t include anything which is/was a conscious being)
One can prove God exists…
Then do it.
Stop dodging. Show reproducible, testable evidence that distinguishes your God from imagination. Until then, you’re just asserting.
Who designed that process?
Nobody “designed” it. Evolution by natural selection explains complexity from simplicity, no designer required. If you think complexity requires design, explain who designed God, who is infinitely more complex.
Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.
Wrong. Biology is clear: human life is a continuum, not a single magic switch. What’s disputed is when rights should be granted, which is a moral and legal question, not a scientific one. You’re just mixing categories.
They were essentially telling Elisha to kill himself. And he used God’s name in vain.
Torturing Job to win a bet.
Job is now in heaven. I don’t think Job cares about the distant point in time when things were bad. That’s like calling your parents cruel for banning you from videogames as a kid - although even that is more significant than what happened to Job.
You only excuse it because you slap “God” on the front. That’s divine command theory.
That’s because God is God. If a pig slaughters another pig and eats it, then pigs would find that evil. Yet it’s okay when a human does it.
But drowning toddlers and nuking towns isn’t “justice”, it’s indiscriminate slaughter. If God’s only two settings are “do nothing” or “kill everyone” that’s a design flaw, not justice.
Oops! You didn’t mention any nuking of towns 🤔
Stop dodging. Show reproducible, testable evidence that distinguishes your God from imagination. Until then, you’re just asserting
Finally, there’s your goalposts. It has to be “reproducible” and “testable”. Can you show me reproducible and testable evidence that Napoleon existed?
Okay, and? God creates, He can destroy what He made as well.
You moved the goalposts lol.
You said “there’s no basis for that” I countered with “yes there is” You countered “so”
So, you’re wrong. Also,
My partner and I made our son.
We now have a moral basis for killing him whenever we feel like it.
No, you’re not reading the whole message. What I was referring to was “you should stop wasting time in church and just be a good person”
No you didn’t. God gave you a son.
Yes, I know what you were referring to, I know how nested comments work.
Now, what I was referring to was:
Now, you want to claim that God would not kill people for not going to church.
Cool, but even if he DID. It STILL wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did, or has plans to do. Not even including the moral imperative to kill whoever the fuck he wants because ‘he created them’ (what even is this argument…)
But i digress;
No, bro, I’m almost certain I was the one who got my partner pregnant.
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
If you want to claim God gave me a son, then you’ll first have to convince me God exists.
Can you do that?
God wouldn’t kill people for going to church. That’s what I said.
Yeah because such a list would be empty
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where? Pieced each bone into it’s place? Set the colour of his eyes? Drew out his fingerprints? Laid down each muscle and wired each nerve?
Can you be convinced? What evidence would you expect to have to convince you? Some people cannot be convinced that the earth is round, that climate change is real, evolution is a real observable process of nature or that vaccines are safe and effective.
Empty? You’ve clearly never read your own book. Here’s just a taste:
The Flood – God drowns almost every human, animal, and child on Earth (Genesis 7).
The Plagues of Egypt – including killing the firstborn of every Egyptian family (Exodus 12:29).
Ordering Genocide – wiping out the Amalekites, including infants and animals (1 Samuel 15:3).
Lot’s Wife – turned to salt for the crime of looking back (Genesis 19:26).
Killing Kids for Mockery – sending bears to maul 42 children for calling Elisha “baldy” (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Hardening Pharaoh’s Heart – deliberately making him resist so God could “show His power” by killing more people (Exodus 9:12).
Jephthah’s Daughter – forced human sacrifice of his own child to fulfill a vow to God (Judges 11:30-39).
David’s Census Punishment – God slaughters 70,000 Israelites because David counted them (2 Samuel 24:15).
Job’s Torture – God lets Satan kill Job’s children and ruin his life as part of a bet (Job 1-2).
Eternal Hellfire – condemning billions of people to infinite torture for finite “sins” (Matthew 25:46).
No, and neither did God. That’s the point. I provided DNA, biology did the rest. By your logic, I didn’t “make dinner” unless I forged the cutlery and mined the iron for the stove. Dumb standard.
Can God? Unless you can prove he exists, you’re just putting a holy sticker on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Yeah, flat earthers, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers… and theists.
Here’s the thing though, if I cannot be convinced, whose fault is that?
Because I don’t believe in god that means I’ll go to hell, right?
Why is it that the benchmark for being accepted into heaven is throwing away epistemic and logical foundations?
Why is it fair to throw me to down to hell because those specific qualities are universally valuable EXCEPT for when we use them to evaluate whether its reasonable to believe in God without evidence?
Doesn’t God know the future? Doesn’t God know that every condition that led me to this moment would cause me to reject any answer you’ve got for me?
Doesn’t that mean he set me up to fail?
That is REALLY fucking stupid. Like, literally, definitionally stupid.
Everything you’ve listed are instances of God punishing evil. Are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven without punishment? If that’s the casewould you then complain that God isn’t punishing evil? In many cases, you find instances of Atheists both complaining that evil currently exists, and then gets mad when it is punished! What a contradiction.
Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?
You made dinner with your creativity. You designed it. Is it cruel to the dinner that you will eat it and boil it in your stomach acid?
One can prove, but if you’re unwilling to accept proof, then that’s a different story.
Who designed that process? And do we really understand it? Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.
That’s not “punishing evil”. that’s cosmic tantrums.
If a human did it, you’d call it evil.
You only excuse it because you slap “God” on the front. That’s divine command theory. might makes right. Which isn’t morality, it’s just fear dressed up as worship. Ironically, its the same logic which fascists like Hitler use.
Strawman. Nobody said “let Hitler into heaven”.
But drowning toddlers and nuking towns isn’t “justice”, it’s indiscriminate slaughter. If God’s only two settings are “do nothing” or “kill everyone” that’s a design flaw, not justice.
Same tired “who made X” game.
Who made God?
If you say “He always existed”, then congratulations, you just admitted things can exist without being created. Which means biology doesn’t need your sky-dad either.
False analogy.
My dinner isn’t a conscious being. If I invited you over and drowned your kid in my soup “to punish evil” you wouldn’t call it dinner. You’d call the cops.
(Furthermore, I’m vegan, so my meals don’t include anything which is/was a conscious being)
Then do it.
Stop dodging. Show reproducible, testable evidence that distinguishes your God from imagination. Until then, you’re just asserting.
Nobody “designed” it. Evolution by natural selection explains complexity from simplicity, no designer required. If you think complexity requires design, explain who designed God, who is infinitely more complex.
Wrong. Biology is clear: human life is a continuum, not a single magic switch. What’s disputed is when rights should be granted, which is a moral and legal question, not a scientific one. You’re just mixing categories.
They were going to be evil otherwise.
They were essentially telling Elisha to kill himself. And he used God’s name in vain.
Job is now in heaven. I don’t think Job cares about the distant point in time when things were bad. That’s like calling your parents cruel for banning you from videogames as a kid - although even that is more significant than what happened to Job.
That’s because God is God. If a pig slaughters another pig and eats it, then pigs would find that evil. Yet it’s okay when a human does it.
Oops! You didn’t mention any nuking of towns 🤔
Finally, there’s your goalposts. It has to be “reproducible” and “testable”. Can you show me reproducible and testable evidence that Napoleon existed?