Translation: God killing babies is fine because God did it.
That’s not morality, that’s raw power worship.
If Hitler had been omnipotent, would you have called his actions “right” too? Because your standard isn’t good vs evil; it’s just strong vs weak.
Basically telling Elisha to go disappear with Elijah.
So the kids didn’t say “kill yourself”, they said “go up like Elijah” Which is mockery, sure, but still not a capital offence.
You’re still defending child-murder-by-bear for playground trash talk. If your morality system equates insults with death, it’s not morality, it’s authoritarian fragility.
An eternity in paradise isn’t a consolation prize. And God didn’t torture Job. Satan did.
Wrong. Job 2:3 literally says God gave Job into Satan’s hand “without reason”. If I hand my kid to a known abuser “as a test”, I’m responsible for everything that follows. Passing the blame to Satan doesn’t make God look better, it makes Him look like an accomplice.
I hope you’d agree that killing unborn children is also wrong.
I’m pro-choice. I don’t believe potential life has more value than the actual lives of the people carrying them.
But here’s the kicker: even by your standard, your God fails. The Flood, the plagues, Old Testament wars; unborn children wiped out en masse. You claim to worship the “sanctity of life” but your own deity is history’s biggest abortionist.
How would you define morality?
Morality = reducing unnecessary suffering and increasing well-being.
By that standard, bears mauling kids, floods drowning babies, and plagues killing firstborns are immoral.
Your definition is “whatever God says” which means if God told you to burn your toddler alive, you’d call it good. That’s not morality, it’s obedience.
The towns so bad that only one decent person lived in them.
Even if you take that at face value, God still torched everyone; children, infants, livestock. Collateral damage doesn’t vanish just because you declare “everyone there was bad”. That’s exactly the justification every human tyrant has ever used.
We do have independent sources for Jesus… Josephus, Didache, Polycarp.
None of those are contemporary.
Josephus was born after Jesus allegedly died, and his passage about Jesus is widely considered tampered with by Christians.
The Didache and Polycarp are Christian writings, believers repeating their own story, not neutral evidence. That’s like Mormons citing Joseph Smith’s buddies as “independent sources”
Also, proving Jesus’ existence doesn’t prove his divinity. I dont care if a person named Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.
And no, your vaccine analogy fails. We have independent, testable, reproducible data for vaccines. If all we had were 26 internally inconsistent pamphlets from believers claiming vaccines worked, we’d laugh them out of the lab.
Your entire defense boils down to this: “God is good because He’s God”. That’s not an argument. That’s an abdication of morality. You’d excuse anything; genocide, torture, infanticide; as long as it had divine branding.
Which means you don’t have a moral compass at all.
You’ve outsourced it to a book that justifies things you’d call evil in any other context.
Translation: God killing babies is fine because God did it.
That’s not morality, that’s raw power worship.
If Hitler had been omnipotent, would you have called his actions “right” too? Because your standard isn’t good vs evil; it’s just strong vs weak.
So the kids didn’t say “kill yourself”, they said “go up like Elijah” Which is mockery, sure, but still not a capital offence.
You’re still defending child-murder-by-bear for playground trash talk. If your morality system equates insults with death, it’s not morality, it’s authoritarian fragility.
Wrong. Job 2:3 literally says God gave Job into Satan’s hand “without reason”. If I hand my kid to a known abuser “as a test”, I’m responsible for everything that follows. Passing the blame to Satan doesn’t make God look better, it makes Him look like an accomplice.
I’m pro-choice. I don’t believe potential life has more value than the actual lives of the people carrying them.
But here’s the kicker: even by your standard, your God fails. The Flood, the plagues, Old Testament wars; unborn children wiped out en masse. You claim to worship the “sanctity of life” but your own deity is history’s biggest abortionist.
Morality = reducing unnecessary suffering and increasing well-being.
By that standard, bears mauling kids, floods drowning babies, and plagues killing firstborns are immoral.
Your definition is “whatever God says” which means if God told you to burn your toddler alive, you’d call it good. That’s not morality, it’s obedience.
Even if you take that at face value, God still torched everyone; children, infants, livestock. Collateral damage doesn’t vanish just because you declare “everyone there was bad”. That’s exactly the justification every human tyrant has ever used.
None of those are contemporary.
Josephus was born after Jesus allegedly died, and his passage about Jesus is widely considered tampered with by Christians.
The Didache and Polycarp are Christian writings, believers repeating their own story, not neutral evidence. That’s like Mormons citing Joseph Smith’s buddies as “independent sources”
Also, proving Jesus’ existence doesn’t prove his divinity. I dont care if a person named Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.
And no, your vaccine analogy fails. We have independent, testable, reproducible data for vaccines. If all we had were 26 internally inconsistent pamphlets from believers claiming vaccines worked, we’d laugh them out of the lab.
Your entire defense boils down to this: “God is good because He’s God”. That’s not an argument. That’s an abdication of morality. You’d excuse anything; genocide, torture, infanticide; as long as it had divine branding.
Which means you don’t have a moral compass at all.
You’ve outsourced it to a book that justifies things you’d call evil in any other context.