The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
I know we’re not, but we’re too far apart to ever reach consensus. You think you’re being reasonable but really are just pro-zionist, where I think muslims, arabs and generally non-white people are supposed to live in that area, and the Anglo-American colonisation made a lot of mistakes, and this is one of the biggest ones.
I have huge problems with Islam (well, pretty much every religion really) and the way they treat women and protestors. But Iran has a right to self determination. They are allowed to have a nuke just as much as anyone else. Ideally nobody has one, but since radical zionists have them, and North Korea has them, and Putin has them, they can have them too, because we see with Ukraine what happens when you give that up.
If you make a list of aggressions, you’ll see that Israel is permanently and non stop attacking and provoking every non-white neighbour around it. And they are going mentally fast now, before america completely collapses.
Of course Hezbollah and Hamas are annoying little terrorists. But they aren’t backed and aren’t blackmailing the mightiest nuclear power in the world. They are standing up to a mega bully, and apart from Iran, very few people have their backs.
Iran was never going to have nukes as an offensive weapon, just to establish MAD, because bibi has been wanting to attack them for nearly half a century.
As I said, there is no bridge long and strong enough to connect our viewpoints, but this is mine.
There’s value to a discussion without reaching agreement. I’m actually not trying to convince you, rather to understand you and help you understand me. Which is why I appreciate your reply.
Looking at the situation in Israel by race is wrong to the extent that I actually feel a bit racist. Israel is made of Jews mainly from eastern European and Middle eastern ethnicity. The ones who support the occupation and are generally more right wing are from the middle east (Ben Gvir, the head of the most right wing party in the Israeli parliament was born to Iraqi parents), but the best indicator if someone is pro-peace or pro-war is, surprise surprise, religion.
Realistically, if you make up a list of aggression, it’ll be a long road ending with “does the fact that Jews came to their historic homeland in mandatory Palestine in the goal of having their own state there even though other people were living in that area constitute an act of aggression”. I’d be interested to hear your opinion on that one, but I’m not sure that really matters. The fact is that Israel exists, and the only way it’s going anywhere is if the Arab states will do to it what you’re accusing Israel of doing to them. It’s also worth mentioning that the Jews didn’t chose mandatory Palestine because they like the weather or the view, but because that is where the Jewish people came to be, and they themselves were banished from the area by a colonial power. While this happened hundreds of years ago, at the very least I think it means that the Jews have more “right” to Israel than, say any ex-colonial state (US, Canada, Argentina, Australia etc.).
But lets take for example the closest Palestinians ever came to their own state and Israel came to living in peace - the Oslo accords. They were met with murderous acts on both sides (including the assassination of Israel’s prime minister by a Jewish terrorist), and of course every side viewed the other one as the aggressor and the accords fell apart for the most part. You can’t really put the finger on either side. The blame should go to the extremists on both sides for believing they have a right to the entire area and willing to commit murder in order to try and get it.
I understand what you’re saying about Hezbollah and Hamas, but if your family was kidnapped and tortured by someone, you wouldn’t call them “annoying little terrorists”. That said, you are correct in saying they are weaker than Israel. Which brings me to an important point - let’s say we have two sides engaged in a blood feud, but one side has access to firearms while the other only has knives. Would you say the side with the firearms is the aggressor, or would you say they happen to have a better way of attacking the other side?
Israel, as the stronger side, has a moral duty to restrain themselves and consider the way their actions affect Palestinian civilians. But that doesn’t mean Hamas are excused from any moral consideration, and at the very least have a duty not to target civilians specifically.
I can’t really know what Iran is going to have or what their plan is, but for someone who often states Israel is a cancerous regime that should not exist while also being religious extremists, it’s not unreasonable of Israel to be afraid of a nuclear Iran.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
All of us.
Your last source has a critical sentence:
There’s no proof they breached limits.
Could you explain why that’s critical? But, like, maybe try for a better explanation than “‘we’ is all of us”.
Actually, let me head you off at the pass:
The survey OP linked to is from 2025.
If it was clear Iran didn’t want to develop a nuclear bomb, why was a deal needed in the first place?
I agree withdrawing from the agreement was dumb.
Well, we’re on the same page then.
I know we’re not, but we’re too far apart to ever reach consensus. You think you’re being reasonable but really are just pro-zionist, where I think muslims, arabs and generally non-white people are supposed to live in that area, and the Anglo-American colonisation made a lot of mistakes, and this is one of the biggest ones.
I have huge problems with Islam (well, pretty much every religion really) and the way they treat women and protestors. But Iran has a right to self determination. They are allowed to have a nuke just as much as anyone else. Ideally nobody has one, but since radical zionists have them, and North Korea has them, and Putin has them, they can have them too, because we see with Ukraine what happens when you give that up.
If you make a list of aggressions, you’ll see that Israel is permanently and non stop attacking and provoking every non-white neighbour around it. And they are going mentally fast now, before america completely collapses.
Of course Hezbollah and Hamas are annoying little terrorists. But they aren’t backed and aren’t blackmailing the mightiest nuclear power in the world. They are standing up to a mega bully, and apart from Iran, very few people have their backs.
Iran was never going to have nukes as an offensive weapon, just to establish MAD, because bibi has been wanting to attack them for nearly half a century.
As I said, there is no bridge long and strong enough to connect our viewpoints, but this is mine.
There’s value to a discussion without reaching agreement. I’m actually not trying to convince you, rather to understand you and help you understand me. Which is why I appreciate your reply.
Looking at the situation in Israel by race is wrong to the extent that I actually feel a bit racist. Israel is made of Jews mainly from eastern European and Middle eastern ethnicity. The ones who support the occupation and are generally more right wing are from the middle east (Ben Gvir, the head of the most right wing party in the Israeli parliament was born to Iraqi parents), but the best indicator if someone is pro-peace or pro-war is, surprise surprise, religion.
Realistically, if you make up a list of aggression, it’ll be a long road ending with “does the fact that Jews came to their historic homeland in mandatory Palestine in the goal of having their own state there even though other people were living in that area constitute an act of aggression”. I’d be interested to hear your opinion on that one, but I’m not sure that really matters. The fact is that Israel exists, and the only way it’s going anywhere is if the Arab states will do to it what you’re accusing Israel of doing to them. It’s also worth mentioning that the Jews didn’t chose mandatory Palestine because they like the weather or the view, but because that is where the Jewish people came to be, and they themselves were banished from the area by a colonial power. While this happened hundreds of years ago, at the very least I think it means that the Jews have more “right” to Israel than, say any ex-colonial state (US, Canada, Argentina, Australia etc.).
But lets take for example the closest Palestinians ever came to their own state and Israel came to living in peace - the Oslo accords. They were met with murderous acts on both sides (including the assassination of Israel’s prime minister by a Jewish terrorist), and of course every side viewed the other one as the aggressor and the accords fell apart for the most part. You can’t really put the finger on either side. The blame should go to the extremists on both sides for believing they have a right to the entire area and willing to commit murder in order to try and get it.
I understand what you’re saying about Hezbollah and Hamas, but if your family was kidnapped and tortured by someone, you wouldn’t call them “annoying little terrorists”. That said, you are correct in saying they are weaker than Israel. Which brings me to an important point - let’s say we have two sides engaged in a blood feud, but one side has access to firearms while the other only has knives. Would you say the side with the firearms is the aggressor, or would you say they happen to have a better way of attacking the other side?
Israel, as the stronger side, has a moral duty to restrain themselves and consider the way their actions affect Palestinian civilians. But that doesn’t mean Hamas are excused from any moral consideration, and at the very least have a duty not to target civilians specifically.
I can’t really know what Iran is going to have or what their plan is, but for someone who often states Israel is a cancerous regime that should not exist while also being religious extremists, it’s not unreasonable of Israel to be afraid of a nuclear Iran.
More Zionist bullshit.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion.