cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/41590
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
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Down with Knesset!
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
Misinformation. There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.
Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.
The fact that it’s a minority means that the article is barely exaggerating. If they slapped the word majority or major majority infront of their statements and it made it accurate then you can’t even call them a liar.
There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran.
How many?
At least one
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/3/3/ofer_cassif_knesset_israel_iran_war
Which is enough to mark this article as incredible
“The entire political spectrum” doesn’t mean “every single person ever,” or even “every single politician ever.” The implication is only that the statement applies to all political segments of the population. If the left, right and center (and any other significant political blocs) mostly agree on something, then the whole political spectrum supports it, even if some people don’t.
That’s literally not what it means.
There is people that oppose it. there is politicians that oppose it. The entire political spectrum isn’t discrete. It’s a spectrum. That’s literally what a spectrum means.
I was inclined to agree with you but he has a point. The entire spectrum supports it, not everybody in said spectrum needs to support it for the statement to be true.
The point is not that
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Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that these same people were praising their soldiers for raping captured civilians?
Death to the IDF and all but this article is misleading horseshit. Do better, lemmy.
I think saying that without explaining what you mean is unhelpful.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the “Israel Democracy Institute” who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.
Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.
They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.
Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people
Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn’t unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.
Founded and funded by people and orgs that have a vested interest in this conflict. Like the heritage foundation polling for gay marriage.
Sure that’s a fair point, but then we’d expect other polls to produce similar results. It’s not like we have to take their word for it.
Israel is a sick and diseased society.
Israel really blows my mind. Pro or Anti Netanyanhu supporters still want to kill Arabs. Seeing interviews and social media pics of just regular Israelis casually wishing death is still so jarring to me.
To be “fair” to hard-line settler types, the mood of the world is swinging so strongly against them and their regime, this might be the very last time they have a chance to get what they want.
Hopefully, they’ll never find a world again that is as complacent as it is now.
The settlements are built by the state of israel and armed and protected by the idf. Netenyahu approve those settlements yet countries still sells weapons to them and has no economical sanctions on the state itself. Hypocrites been fake condemning settlers for decades with no action to back their claim. Iaraelis voted for Netenyahu for 6 goddamn time
Israelis are deeply supremacist and dont care what the world thinks, except insomuch as it affects their access to resources and influence. This is reflected in the targetting of their missiles in their “samson” doctrine. They targetted capitals across the world, including Europe.
Israelis !== The government and settlers.
They always voted for pro settler colonialism and genocide people. As a state with fair election there is no excuses for Israelis to vote like that
I understand the hate in the comments, but I think the important part is something else, How can the world deal with a country that only wants to commit genocide with all its neighbors? and not the government, the population in general. What can we do with this? How do we get out of the cycle of violence with people like this?
It’s pretty easy actually.
Israel’s economy is dependent on US funding. If the US stopped sending them money, they couldn’t commit genocide and also the economy would crash…leading to mass migration out of the country.
Echoing basically all other replies: Israel doesn’t actually have the juice to get their lebensraum alone; they need all sorts of American and European support for it. Cutting off their support would immediately destroy their position as regional near-hegemon and force them to compromise.
Countries should keep imposing economical sanctions on Israel till they start dismentling settlements and lift the blockade on Gaza in exchange Hamas has to disarm and organize elections. If hamas refuse countries should be arming the PA instead of israel and allow them to take down Hamas . If israel refuse countries should keep sanctionning israel and allow PA to get rid of settlers and defend itself against Israel
Not supporting and helping their fascists government and leaders would be a good start and would solve most of the problems.
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Denazification of Germany after WW2 is a good example.
Except Nazis were just sent somewhere else and called libs.
Is it a practical example for dealing with a country that is (or at least makes it an open secret that it very probably is) nuclear armed though?
German “denazification” first required complete military defeat and occupation of the German state, that’s not really practical to achieve when the country to be occupied has the option to devastate whatever country it’s fighting as a deterrent/revenge once it concludes defeat is inevitable. As such, what is needed here I think is examples of how to defuse such a situation and push a population away from violence purely through limited conflict, economic pressure, sponsorship of internal dissent, etc
Its possible, just very expensive. A complete blockade for a decade or two would be a good start. They dont have the resources there to be self sufficient.
It would be a good start but as long as the US supports them they’ll remain sufficient enough that their ruling class can enjoy their standard of living. It’d be the same as turning the US into a pariah, only the poorest would suffer. Might get some of them to flip on their support for the regime since the consequences hit home, but both regimes are self-sufficient and no longer need the support of the people to maintain power. The wealth class in the US could survive a long blockade on the resources available there, natural and human, if cut off from it’s ability to outsource exploitation.
The real cost to dislodge these regimes is going to be money and blood, because they will not give up their power without a fight externally or internally. We got rid of Trump once and he unleashed his supporters on the Capitol, they’d vote/fight for the same thing the next time they got a chance. Same in Israel. It’s probably going to take a combination of external powers leveraging their global economic influence, apply military force, and coordinating with internal opposition to oust the central powers, then stick around and help what can be scavenged of the resistance to build new infrastructure and help prevent the Lost Causers from creeping back in to positions of influence and power.
Even pakistan has more nukes then Israel. Israel can’t win a nuclear war
Nobody wins in a nuclear war.
Israel is small and can be fully destroyed with multiple nukes. Big countries especially with nukes could still exists after getting nukes. So the idea that israel would use a nuke on nuclear countries who will sct to end occupation foesn’t look realistic to me
They must be put under ethical adult supervision. They clearly cannot be allowed to rule a state. They flatly do not beleive in human rights and are supremacists. Basically nazis.
Crater it
Bashing the limited opposition inside israel against this horrifying war while asking for a nuke as a “cure” is pretty zynic.
Its obviously wrong what Israel is doing and the have to be stopped. Its very important to keep in mind that every Nazi and even Hitler, Trump, Putin an Netanyahu are/were humans. Its Humans which do those things. Dont make yourself belive just because you are not them, non of your wishes could be as brutal as theirs.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Inhuman savages.
Then they’ll claim people hate them “because we’re Jews”.
Most Zionists that are responsible for the genocide in Palestine and the war crimes in Iran are Christian.
Conflating Zionism with Judaism is anti Semitic.
It’s the same with minorities who are racist.
There are assholes in every society.
Just because they are marginalized by someone else doesn’t make them any less of an asshole.
It makes them conservatives.
I was once quite a fierce supporter of israel. Maybe because I was trying too hard to not be antisemitic.
But this shut man… It’s getting ridiculous.
They’ve lost all my sympathy
All this makes sense… Instilled fear and paranoia for generations… and now they collect the fruit of it… people are afraid that Iran will nuclear bomb them (with a bomb that Iran doesn’t have) if they don’t final solution Iran
I’m all for shitting on these goons, but that pic is from 3 years ago and unrelated.
The picture in the original article does indeed mention that:
Israeli protesters during an judicial overall protests outside the Knesset in Jerusalem, February 20, 2023. (Photo: Ilia Yefimovich/dpa via ZUMA Press/APA Images)
A whole nation of genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis.
Sad how abuse begets abuse, innit?
It’s not all of them, but the lack of people speaking up over there is chilling. I hope it’s just media suppression, and the numbers aren’t as bad as it seems.
There are a handful of decent humans there who oppose it all. They have protested and been beaten up.
Mostly young people. Not very many of them. But I think that’s pretty courageous considering they are literally surrounded by wolves.
What must it be like to live in a country surrounded by insane fascist. ?
Oh… Nevermind I guess I know.
Well.
But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.
I think Israel must feel like literally everyone is maga except like 2 people you know.
It’s a good time to recommend the Discworld book Jingo, which remains just as relevant as when it was written.
It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone’s fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I’m one of Us. I must be. I’ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. *No one* ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We’re always one of Us. It’s Them that do the bad things.
And another quote from Feet of Clay:
Just because someone’s a member of an ethnic minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty small-minded little jerk
(And then there’s The Fifth Elephant that’s so painfully spot-on that I’d rather not spoil a single moment of it. Terry Pratchett was amazing and I wish he was still around to share his humor and wisdom. We could use a few laughs right now.)
But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.
Only 60% oppose an unprovoked attack targeting schools and hospitals?!
And their reasons:
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I am from the other side of the uniparty so I dogmatically am against anything the other side does.
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The gas prices are going up!
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We are sending our poor little innocent baby killers to die for israel!
No, your country isn’t better.
Also at best a handful of decent people, the US should be nuked just as hard AFAIC.It’s a little better. I honestly feel that most of my community is not insane. That’s something.
What country are you in bloomcole that your hands are clean?
Belgium, to humor your whataboutism
Shall we ask a couple of countries in Africa whether Belgium has clean hands?
Like I haven’t heard that feeble argument from an americunt when he looked up Belgium to try some whataboutism.
Bravo you’ve found ONE straw to grasp at from a long time ago where the circumstances are in no way comparable.
We’re talking about support of the people.
For one, what did people know back then about the private endeavour of a royal or about anything remotely distant from where they lived?
Yes that definitely is the same as the people of the US shithole supporting nearly all their violent imperialism and terrorism while they have every opportunity to know they’re wrong.
Oh, and BTW, it’s your cancer shithole that took over in Congo and about everywhere they could in Africa.
So you can fuck right off with your ridiculous gotcha attempt.That was a long way to say yep we fucked around in Africa.
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Even the Nazis weren’t “a whole nation of genocidal maniacs.” In both Israel and Nazi Germany there is/was opposition to the atrocities committed by their leadership, just not enough. In Israel in particular “do you support comically evil thing” polls tend to get 60-80% support, except the Iran war which at its outset had 93% support. That’s not a whole nation of genocidal maniacs; that’s a nation of mostly genocidal maniacs.
