i cannot put into words how much i despise people who don’t see anything wrong with crushing animals with their car, it’s so fucking gross and IMO should disqualify them from handling a heavy vehicle.
It’s no different than shooting animals with a gun (proper or airsoft or whatever), which i think any sensible person would agree should bar you from owning guns.
It’s no different than shooting animals with a gun (proper or airsoft or whatever), which i think any sensible person would agree should bar you from owning guns.
I think there’s quite a big difference between senselessly running over an animal and shooting one with a gun. I mean hunting for food and animal population control are kinda necessary in a lot of situations, while running over an animal isn’t.
Tbf it’s also safer to hit the animal in many cases than slam on the brakes and possibly get rear-ended or swerve into possible dangerous hazards like other cars or poles. Many driving schools actually teach that it’s often the safest option unless the animal itself is big enough to be a hazard like a deer or moose.
Doing either out of malicious intent is the problem, but then again doing just about anything out of malicious intent is a problem lol. It’s more about the intent than the action.
You would prefer that animals are raised in horrendous conditions without ever seeing sunlight only to be slaughtered over shooting an animal that has grown up in it’s natural habitat?
Like, vegetarians I can get, because they argue that we shouldn’t be eating meat at all. Arguing that industrial farming is better for animal welfare than hunting is just absurd though.
There is a correlative link between the willingness to hurt animals and psychopathy. You start out hiring animals and you are more likely to be okay hurting humans.
If people are going to choose to eat meat, then I would prefer that they are protected from the trauma that comes with animal killing.
From the totally opposite side of this. I think that people should be required to kill and butcher an animal at least once if they’re going to eat meat.
That would quickly end factory farming, which needs to be abolished anyhow. We’d have a lot more vegans.
If that’s the side you’re coming from then I guess I can understand your argument. I was thinking from an animal welfare perspective, and the argument (which I’ve seen made before) that hunting is inhumane and that people should get their meat at the store instead.
As a side-note, I would really like a link to something backing up that people who hunt for food are more likely to be psychopaths.
Not sure I agree with the second take. Anyone that eats meat should be ethically required to take an animals life they will eat at some point so they directly know what it means to eat meat. If someone is uncomfortable with the thought of taking an animals life, why are they eating meat and paying someone else to do their dirty work?
I eat meat, but probably not as much as most people. I have butchered livestock and hunted in the past, taking an animals life is not a pleasant thing to do.
I just don’t see something intrinsically immoral with killing an animal for food. Circle of life and all that. I don’t think anything should suffer unduly so factory farms are a real problem, and there’s an arbitrary line of intelligence/sociality that decides whether an animal is close enough to “personhood” that other principles are involved for me, but taking from nature with reverence and respect does not preclude hunting in my opinion.
Not exactly traumatic, but certainly not pleasant to look into somethings eyes and take it’s life. A lot of men pretend it’s a fun experience to be macho, but I think most people do not enjoy taking an animals life.
i cannot put into words how much i despise people who don’t see anything wrong with crushing animals with their car, it’s so fucking gross and IMO should disqualify them from handling a heavy vehicle.
It’s no different than shooting animals with a gun (proper or airsoft or whatever), which i think any sensible person would agree should bar you from owning guns.
I think there’s quite a big difference between senselessly running over an animal and shooting one with a gun. I mean hunting for food and animal population control are kinda necessary in a lot of situations, while running over an animal isn’t.
Tbf it’s also safer to hit the animal in many cases than slam on the brakes and possibly get rear-ended or swerve into possible dangerous hazards like other cars or poles. Many driving schools actually teach that it’s often the safest option unless the animal itself is big enough to be a hazard like a deer or moose.
Doing either out of malicious intent is the problem, but then again doing just about anything out of malicious intent is a problem lol. It’s more about the intent than the action.
yeah i kinda obviously wasn’t talking about hunting, but just shooting a possum or whatever because you think it’s fun
Go to Wendy’s
Bring back the native big cats
There. Problem solved.
You would prefer that animals are raised in horrendous conditions without ever seeing sunlight only to be slaughtered over shooting an animal that has grown up in it’s natural habitat?
Like, vegetarians I can get, because they argue that we shouldn’t be eating meat at all. Arguing that industrial farming is better for animal welfare than hunting is just absurd though.
There is a correlative link between the willingness to hurt animals and psychopathy. You start out hiring animals and you are more likely to be okay hurting humans.
If people are going to choose to eat meat, then I would prefer that they are protected from the trauma that comes with animal killing.
Distancing yourself from the violence doesn’t make you less complicit in the violence.
Eating animals inherently requires a willingness to harm animals. You can either ignore it or you can’t.
From the totally opposite side of this. I think that people should be required to kill and butcher an animal at least once if they’re going to eat meat.
That would quickly end factory farming, which needs to be abolished anyhow. We’d have a lot more vegans.
If that’s the side you’re coming from then I guess I can understand your argument. I was thinking from an animal welfare perspective, and the argument (which I’ve seen made before) that hunting is inhumane and that people should get their meat at the store instead.
As a side-note, I would really like a link to something backing up that people who hunt for food are more likely to be psychopaths.
Not sure I agree with the second take. Anyone that eats meat should be ethically required to take an animals life they will eat at some point so they directly know what it means to eat meat. If someone is uncomfortable with the thought of taking an animals life, why are they eating meat and paying someone else to do their dirty work?
I eat meat, but probably not as much as most people. I have butchered livestock and hunted in the past, taking an animals life is not a pleasant thing to do.
I’m sorry you had to do that. It sounds traumatic.
Animals, especially mammals, have complex inner lives, families, and friends. They experience emotion. They play.
I don’t understand how people can look at that and be ok with killing it, and then not think the same thing about the stupider parts of humanity.
I guess people are just less delicious or something. No idea how else it’s justified.
I just don’t see something intrinsically immoral with killing an animal for food. Circle of life and all that. I don’t think anything should suffer unduly so factory farms are a real problem, and there’s an arbitrary line of intelligence/sociality that decides whether an animal is close enough to “personhood” that other principles are involved for me, but taking from nature with reverence and respect does not preclude hunting in my opinion.
If you start out raising an animal for food you accept that you will have to kill it or pay someone else to do it.
Not exactly traumatic, but certainly not pleasant to look into somethings eyes and take it’s life. A lot of men pretend it’s a fun experience to be macho, but I think most people do not enjoy taking an animals life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
That’s a really weird comment coming from (I assume) a Swede, given the popularity of hunting there.