It is sadly not a satire article and comment section there has taken it quite seriously as well.
I would have posted an archive.org snapshot instead but the latter refuses to crawl the site due to pay wall restrictions.
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The kid that brings me my bacon sandwich when I’m hungover is about the height of a small bin, but he’s really lovely and is definitely learning more about the world than he would be sitting in his room.
And that’s the most important thing. Within reason, kids doing part-time jobs will teach them about the world. The grimmer the work they do, the more incentivised they’ll feel to work hard at school so they can avoid a rubbish job.
“Sitting in your room and developing a sense of self and learning to not require permanent social interaction is horrible. Instead, kids should suffer and see how soul-crushing capitalism is, so that they can be terrified into fitting in the mold and will accept settling for shit pays and jobs because they are already used to those”
Yeah… This is definitely the writing of someone who definitely didn’t have to work as a child.
From ages 13-16 I had to work in my uncle’s machine shop every summer threading bolts for the local GM plant. I didn’t learn anything other than my family is filled with cheap assholes, and now the smell of vegetable coolant makes me sick to my stomach.
Btw if anyone has ever driven around in an early 00s Yukon, there’s a good chance that it was put together with bolts fabricated by a 13 year old.
Btw if anyone has ever driven around in an early 00s Yukon, there’s a good chance that it was put together with bolts fabricated by a 13 year old.
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Tbh it wouldn’t surprise me, the part of ohio that some of my family lives in is filled with a bunch of mom and pop machine shops with contracts from surprisingly large companies.
I guess it’s easy to grab the lowest bid when you’re powered by the free labour of all the children in your extended family.
What’s wrong with teenagers working a few hours a week? I think that’s a good thing. Where I live, it’s rare for, say, a 17 year old to not work at all.
I’m not sure a 17 year old working a few hours a week is what they’re thinking of.
Ok the tone of the article is mostly fuzzy, but it seems the publication did explicitly ask for a “defense of child labor” article, which they then published with an Oliver Twist photo. 🤔
I’m all for it… As long as they get paid as much as their adult peers!
It’s a bad idea to get kids socialized, thinking low pay is ever acceptable.
There should also be mandatory training about wage theft and how serious a crime it is for an employer to expect anyone to show up early or stay late without paying for that extra time. Have a great big award ceremony for the kids that reported employers who were caught pulling that shit! Make the employer pay them an amount equivalent to all the lost wages times three.
You want people to have more kids? Have the state give parents tax benefits (or just checks!) for each child’s earnings until they’re 25 or so.
I don’t think it’s inherently bad to pay kids less than adults, provided they’re not supplementing their parents’ wages. Ideally a part time job after school would be pure disposable income.
But the potential for abuse is way too high because humans are awful. There would need to be a stupid complex network of regulations and inspectors to do it right.
There would need to be a stupid complex network of regulations and inspectors to do it right.
This is how all regulations work (for the most part). Also note that there’s no such thing as “too much” or “too little” regulation. There’s just bad regulations and good regulations.
Examples of good regulation:
- Car emissions standards
- Appliance energy efficiency requirements
- Safety regulations (all kinds)
- Loads of regulations related to banking
Examples of bad regulation:
- Requiring certification for things that don’t need it (e.g. braiding hair)
- Requiring drug tests in order to receive government benefits
- Banning necessary medical procedures and medications based on religious beliefs
- Loads of regulations related to banking
Note: I work for a huge bank and our executives bitch about the cost of compliance all the time. Make them bitch more. Of all the things that need regulation, banking is of the greatest need. Never trust any financial system or transaction that isn’t heavily regulated! There’s an infinite number of ways to get screwed via banking and if it weren’t for regulations they would screw you and everyone else as much as they possibly could. History is full of examples.
What I meant was that it would require so much that there wouldn’t be a way to effectively enforce it, especially since we already don’t do that for wage theft for adults.
Although I guess the process for kids providing parents income already exists for stuff line FAFSA
A 17yo isn’t not a kid.
Is it is not a kid, what do you mean? And what is your point exactly?
I think the point is that the term “child labor” could be broadly interpreted as anywhere from teenagers having part time jobs to little kids slaving away in Victorian workhouses. There’s obviously a lot of differences between those extremes and I think most people tend to think of something closer to the latter when they hear “child labor.”
Let’s skip to the part where we talk about how much they get paid, if they get paid at all. The type of people that the Torygraph caters to will want a huge workforce of children working for free, because it “builds character”.
Ok read the article and the writer is arguing that the 1933 Children and Young Persons Act needs updating as it got a kid that was working in the family food truck removed from his job as a chef and seems to have silly standards for what is or is not acceptable jobs.
Honestly this is not even something the onion would have written
Honestly the headline is a bit clickbait, it’s mostly about teenagers having part time jobs.
The article isn’t about child labour specifically, but part time jobs for teens. Technically, child labour, but not really the same as a 8 year old coal miner or loom operator. Good click bait!
I worked through my teens but with some important caveats. I worked next to my boss every day, and they started before me and finished after me. I worked outdoors, in relatively decent weather. I was able to take vacation as I desired - even though I only had a few weeks to work, I still was able to take 2 weeks of vacation.
I don’t think my kids will be able to have a similar experience (given my location and market forces), and I don’t want them to grind away their leisure time at minimum wage working in a shitty retail environment with unpredictable hours. When I was working, (50-60hrs a week for the summer) the sum total of my all my teen years up to university didn’t cover the first year’s rent. I hope that I’ll be able to find suitable activities, volunteer opportunities, and learning experiences that they can participate in instead of a job.
I think it’s great for teenagers to have jobs, provided they’re not paying living expenses with their wages.
I washed dishes after school at a local cafe, and it was a great feeling to get a paycheck for the first time. I started because I wanted an iPod classic and my mom said no.
It was honestly a great life experience. I learned the value of money, I learned to work with people I didn’t necessarily care for, and it taught me that I didn’t want to do manual labor the rest of my life so I worked a bit harder in school.
There’s a lot of value to teaching kids the value of their time - and how little they get for it.
The “worked harder in school because of manual labour” didn’t work for me though.
Archive link https://archive.is/OFF1P
You should know that archive.is DDOSed a other site through it’s users and those who partake in this might be commiting a crime depending on where you live.
A blog that has been attempting to dox the archive.is owner. The ddos doesn’t seem to be very successful either, given it’s hosted by wordpress.com, who don’t bill based on bandwidth, that isn’t surprising. The whole situation seems pretty stupid tbh.
Most jurisdictions require intentionality for it to be a crime.
Unless you have a better solution?
I agree the dispute is stupid, but IMO the more important part here is anrchive.today’s undisclosed execution of malware to try and win a dispute.
