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This just means in order to remove them at home, you have to buy a special screwdriver.
Nintendo did this for decades, and it was still super easy to obtain the special screwdriver for their special screws.
I bet you’ll be able to source matching bits from Chinese sources not a week after the screws appear on the market.
Nobody learned anything from “Tamper Resistent” Tory.
Does that mean it’ll be a free dealership service? If you can’t service them yourself or have an off brand replacement, doesn’t the company have to provide it?
Thanks for letting me know to never buy a BMW!
Fuck them then. The line in the sand has been drawn and we want to fix our shit without corporate intervention. I was always too poor to own one anyway.
BMW is essentially the Apple of cars. Is has the same cult-like following too.
The BMW-driver stereotypes are real too.
a-hole drivers, a-hole companies not surprised.
Literally not even a novel design and in my opinion, not patentable.
Didn’t Audi edit: try some similarly outrageous stunt about 25 years ago? Something like no user access to the engine compartment at all? As in go to the dealer to have them remove the front of your car and refill your washer fluid. I remember that went over like a limestone cloud and I don’t think they pulled the trigger on that design. Car people, where are you?
You’re probably thinking of the A2 service hatch. It’s nothing like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A2
Hooray, more tools to buy.
Sure wish we could just have a single standard shape and size.
How about standard hex in metric and be done with it?Being a patented design, it will be much harder to buy the tool for it. You’d need to buy it from BMW themselves.
Nahhhh. They’ll be all over Aliexpress faster than i could design and print my own.
But i don’t plan to be in the position of needing one anyway. lol
Hex can strip, either square or star/torx
Stripping is almost always user error and i personally don’t like torx. But I’m down for any of them if made a singular a standard!
Maybe user error, but hex comes in both us and metric metric and the difference is often just tight enough to strip it or loose enough you can pound it in with a hammer. Torx only comes in 1 scale.
What do you personally take issue with?
That’s true.
I just dont like the feel of using them and I’ve also broken multiple of the small torx bits.
But realistically i don’t care what standard is chosen as long as there was one.
I’ve broken some cheap bits. Anything that costs more than “suspect” has impressed me.
That’s why I bought a metric tap and die, anywhere I run into stupidity I can just re-thread and put a better bolt in.
My hero 🥹
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Like.
You don’t understand why? Really?
What combination of words in my comment could have possibly led you to the massive leap of an assumption that i dont understand why companies do this?
Go on, explain.Totally misread your comment, my bad.
Thought it said “I don’t know why…”
Leaving the comment for prosperity. Carry on.
It happens, no worries!
I wonder how that got past the prior art. I mean Robocop referenced shooting yourself in the dick back in the 1980s.
I bet that the goal here is to try to abuse trademark law to sue anyone who makes compatible bits because it’s embedding the trademarked BMW logo. I also bet that courts won’t buy into it.
EDIT: Well, I bet that US courts won’t buy into it. Dunno about other jurisdictions, what case law is there.
Back in the 1990s, you had Sega v. Accolade, where Sega tried making their consoles not work with a game unless that game had copyrighted and trademarked content at the beginning, with the idea that nobody could legally make games compatible with their consoles without Sega’s approval, and a court said “nice try, but no”.
EDIT2:
The court then went on to cite Anti-Monopoly v. General Mills Fun Group, which states in reference to the Lanham Act, “The trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product. That is the special province of the limited monopolies provided pursuant to the patent laws.”[9] The judges in the case had decided that Sega had violated this provision of the act by utilizing its trademark to limit competition for software for its console.
EDIT3: Oh, BMW patented it, too. I still bet that that’s going to run into anti-trust law.
Basically what Nintendo did on one of their schemes to prevent unauthorized software (Famicom Disk System, which was a floppy disk drive for the Japanese version of the NES). This was the physical Nintendo logo embossed on to floppy disk and with a flat disk instead, the disk can’t be physically loaded (sort of, you can add extra cut outs). Other game systems required a logo or similar other brand/trademark/IP to be present in the game code in order to boot, so if you wanted to make your own game without Nintendo’s blessing, you had to invlude their IP in your physical disk or in the game code just to get it to boot. This BMW patent seems to be in the spirit of those hard and software protections that prevent people from doing what they want with the hardware (car) they bought.
I give that about a week after it comes out, before you can buy compatible socket wrenches on AliExpress.
Exactly, this whole article is stupid and I kinda like the little fasteners.
I’ll buy a set of these screwdrivers for $10 and put them in my speciality tool drawer and call it a day.
No problems here.
You shouldn’t have to?
From the standpoint of anybody reasonably handy, we all know we can buy tools. Any time I see a discarded or abused tool I’ll salvage it just because I know I can grind or channel out the head to make custom drivers. That’s not the problem.
It’s that the company is going to use this as a play to illegally monopolize and stifle competition.
Yeah, like those security lug nuts. Guess what, guys?
We’ve had two vehicles come with them. I remove them the first time I have a wheel off for some reason.
I wouldn’t say the security wheel nuts are entirely useless.
Although a set is only about $25 on Amazon, it does limit the pool of potential wheel thieves to serious professionals who are looking for something more valuable to justify buying and carrying multiple sets of these around.
What makes you think a wheel thief bought their tools?
Even if they didn’t pay in money, they paid in time and effort.
Plus you gotta carry that shit around. Easier to justify a socket set than a pocketful of random lugnut keys.
I’ve got a set of 20-something security bits from there, all the anti interference stuff all in one place.
You could have gone to your local hardware store.
Possibly, but that would involve leaving the house.
Man, fuck BMW, they’re a shitty company to do business with. Worse than Audi even and that’s a tall order.
People need to stop buying BMWs, they seem to always be the first to introduce some new bullshit.
its always well-off people, asians, persians, and D-BAGs that buy it. i wont be sorry for the D-BAGS.
They also love making their cars extremely complicated, so maybe it’s better if people need to do some research before taking apart something they can’t reassemble.
remember they are considering charging subscription to use certain features on the car.
I’ll stick with my Hyundai, thanks.
I nneded to buy a 2 ft wratchet extension to undo a nut holding down the battery that was waaaaay down there. You know they did that on purpose
