Jesus fucking Christ all you have to do is shut the fuck up
Why shut up when she can run the same mouth that lost to Dipshit Donald?
shes there to cheerlead fro israel/AIPAC.
Shes part of the club
Pokémon Go to the polls!
Can’t imagine why people thought you’re fake
Phew! I am extremely relieved to find out those videos are fake.
It’s pretty fucked up of TikTok to have tricked us like that, but I’m sure under Larry Ellison’s new leadership they’ll sort things out.
Now that we know the genocide isn’t actually real, we can all pokemon-go to the nearest AIPAC funded democrat candidate and make sure the oldest, richest, set-in establishment dems remain in power through the midterms! yaaay!
She’s trash, but this does remind me that I am worried about fake outrage bait videos. It’s already too good.
61 million tons of rubble was just made up. It’s all styrofoam brought there by Iran.
I know the topic at hand is not funny but the image of huge, bouncy, floaty syrofoam buildings being dropped rom the air onto Gaza is very funny to me.
Hillary Clinton: People are learning about what happened on October 7th from social media. Some of it is totally made up, some of it not at all representing what they claim to be showing. It’s a serious problem for democracy. Headline: Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors. Lemmy: Fuck Hillary Clinton. Also, MAGA are fueled by fake stuff they see on social media. Also, we can’t trust mainstream media.
It’s not a matter of being pro-Palestinian, or even who’s right. It’s a matter of being able to have a conversation with enough common ground.
After accepting pro-genocide lies as “common ground.”
What about the weeks, months, and years before that?
That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.
You missed the part being referenced in the headline. She isnt just talking about Oct 7 but everything that took place following it. Her complaint wouldnt make sense in any other context, and it’s the same complaint Netanyahu and Blinken have made, too.
You missed the part being referenced in the headline.
No they didn’t. They deliberately ignored it because they’re doing the “no, what trump actually meant was” thing, only with clinton.
Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.
If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it’s a totally fair point?
Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?
I’m not American and I’m fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it’s a problem even on this matter.
It’s pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.
From the article:
“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”
Clinton complained that when she tried to talk to young people “to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.”
The former first lady concluded, “So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”
If that’s not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it’s undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It’s not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.
This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She’s claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn’t invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.
bluemaga acts like redmaga. Right now you’re seeing the “no, what she actually meant was” thing.
Remember this when the shitlibs tell us that Clinton was the lesser evil. She is actively for genocide.
to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context
I don’t need context to know that it’s wrong to rape an autistic prisoner to death. I don’t need context to know that it’s wrong to bomb cattle and fields in order to starve a population. And why should I listen to Hillary fucking Clinton, the single cause for why open-air slave markets could open in Libya. Fuck her and fuck Bubba too.
That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.
She includes the actual day of October 7th, and the only possible social media disinformation that day would have been anti-Palestinian, there was like no videos of Israel doing anything vaguely questionable on that day.
She avoids claiming it’s only one side or the other. Zionists could accuse her of October 7th denial just as easily.
I suggest you re-read the article/listen to her speak because she is clearly taking a side. What she’s speaking to is not limited to that day, to the best of my knowledge. If you disagree with the coverage or find it inaccurate, feel free to point out the inconsistencies or distortions.
I didn’t listen, but I read and reread and the thread started with a quote showing the inconsistency and I repeated it highlighting specifically where it could cut the other way.
She carefully avoided taking a side other than social media is full of disinformation. Going for an agonizingly centrist position that fails to condemn either side as bad.
If that’s not a denial, what is?
Here’s a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:
“Israel is not committing war crimes in Palestine; everything is by the book and the Palestinians are thankful for having many of their old schools and hospitals demolished to make way for renovations.”
The main difference between the two is that the former statements (attributed to Clinton) are fairly accurate and ostensibly made in good faith, whereas the latter statements (the hypothetical example) are not accurate and have the appearance of intentionally creating a false narrative.
To be clear, I think Hillary is a dogshit human being and I think Israel is committing war crimes every day as they continue to murder civilians with the aid of American military tech and funding. But Hillary isn’t saying anything that crazy here, or at least not in the actual quotes written in the article.
Here’s what a republican defending something trump said looks like:
Here’s a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:
Respectfully, saying, “what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.” is what makes this denial. It’s fine if you disagree.
Hillary is free to acknowledge what’s happened from a neutral perspective and prove me wrong. But thus far, has she?
Genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is genocide support.
Clinton remains the de facto head of the centrist wing of the party, and she’s telling everyone the only thing they’ve ever been about.
“Smart, well-educated, young people from our own country, from around the world, where were they getting their information?” asked Clinton during a New York conference hosted by the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok.”
She continued, “That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow. That’s a serious problem. It’s a serious problem for democracy, whether it’s Israel or the United States, and it’s a serious problem for our young people.”
This is the quote from Clinton. She’s bringing up the dangers of media manipulation, and this article’s headline kinda proves her point.
On that very particular point she’s not wrong. The collapse of trustworthy news sources and the rise of social media is bad for getting the truth out.
I’d like to get to where we can verify and validate citizen reporting consistently.
Definitely, that’s why I’d be in favour of banning TikTok and requiring all social media platforms to have stronger fact checking mechanism.
Though, the only real solution is to improve the cognitive skills of the population starting when they’re children.
Ironically X’s community notes have been pretty good at fact checking posts.
Not sure about bans in general, but short-form video on infinite scroll is 100% brain rot.
All I see is the Queen of the Centrists assuming anyone who disagrees with her must be stupid or gullible instead of absolutely right.
So basically a centrist acting like every other centrist I’ve ever encountered. Dead wrong and arrogant about it.
She doesn’t say anything close to that actually, try to read the article again in a more matter-of-factly way. Your completely legitimate political opinions -I don’t particularly like Hillary Clinton myself- shouldn’t prevent you from judging what she says fairly.
“You’re taking what he’s saying out of context! That’s not what he meant!” -trump supporters.
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.
Now that Harris moved the needle to 2016 Republicans, it’s now time for the DNC brainwormed shitlibs to say that anything that the DNC told them is Fake News. You can’t pay rent? Fake news! Line went up!
Huh? I’m not a Trump supporter nor a Clinton supporter. What are you going on about?
You’re supporting clinton (because she supports the genocide you live for) and acting like a trump supporter to do it.
I don’t support Clinton, I don’t support Trump, I’m in favor of sanctioning Israel and recognizing Palestine immediately. Don’t know what you’re talking about, try to assume less.
No it doesn’t. She’s blaming social media for actually getting the truth out there. She’s been at the center of US politics for decades, in the White House for a lot of the time. She’s just panicking because the narrative that she’s been part of pushing is crashing down.
Misinformation is a problem, yes. And traditional media also reports misinformation. Here is how responsible actors react to misinformation.
Tiktok is probably a more unbiased source compared to western media.
Correct, it’s why Congress tried to ban it until it became Trump approved propaganda. It was unbiased, and had to be for American ears.
If that actually is your opinion, then you’re the living proof that Clinton is right. Social media is completely full of disinformation, misinformation and hybrid threats from Russia, China and many more.
Look at the 2024 Romanian presidential election.
hybrid threats from Russia, China
I’m more worried about hybrid threats from Americans. China never bombed or invaded our corner of the world.
America might start being a problem now and if it does we need to start worrying about it. Russia and China have been meddling with the European infosphere for the past 20 years.
She knew Epstein was raping kids and didn’t tell us.
We nominated her over Bernie Sanders.
She knew her husband was fucking children and didn’t care until it was public.
They attended a wedding together, and both were on Epstein’s island at the same time as this.
The DNC nominated her, not the people. In the 2016 primaries they messed with voting registration so that a few demographics more likely to vote Bernie were suddenly on the independent register. A demographic of Bernie bros that were disenfranchised voted R in the presidential. Biden won in '20 because RNC scaled their efforts based on '16 numbers where DNC stubbed their own toes.
The system is working as intended.
We definitely didn’t nominate her. The DNC secret voters did.
the AIPAC did, plus a little side dish of russia.
This is the political equivalent of saying Jewish space lasers cause hurricanes.
One is documented and a lobbyist group, one is made up by neo-nazis with no basis in reality. Conflating the two is antisemetic.
It says that anything Jews do (and AIPAC isn’t 100% Jews, its Zionists alligned to the cause, so its mostly Christian) is inherantly grouped together, fake or real.
I think they meant saying Russia interfered in the 2016 primary in support of the butcher of Libya is the loony take.
This bitch and her husband need to disappear off the face of the Earth already.
So few people manage to be hated by everyone in every political camp in America, yet she and Bill mastered it.
I guess the UN was watching the same made up stuff.
And you wonder why you lost the fucking presidency. Right wing piece of shit
Previously, I’d be agitateted that Hilary was expected to meet a higher standard than Trump. She has dissolved her standards to compete. She needs to be excluded from any rational conversation in the same way we would with Trump. Treat them both the same.
Clinton is an identity politics right wing ghoul. Barely better than Trump, but still better along nearly every dimension.
Hey Hillary, do you know what I’d like to hear from you?
Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. You fucking lost to the fascist the first time around and paved the way for his ascent to power. You are a HUGE fucking factor in how we got to where we are now.
She is a fascist herself who led the unilateral intervention on Libya that lead to the unnecessary deaths of 50k people in a civil war that didn’t need to happen, architected the pivot to Asia which will lead to WW3, and “promoted” LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.
I’ve said it all through out her run in 2016.
Shes not a democrat.
Shes not a liberal.
Shes just a Republican in a blue coat.
But it was her turn! Damnit, she was going to run regardless of how unpopular she was.
It’s like the end of Happy Gilmore when Shooter McGavin grabs the jacket because it was his turn, he felt it was owed to him.
Probably wouldnt have trump today if it wasnt for the DNC sabotaging all the popular candidates to shove hilary down our throats.
No one wanted hilary.
and remember, Trump didnt even want to win. He just wanted to use running as a springboard for more attention. He was, by all accounts, upset with his intitial win because of how he felt he’d be restricted by the white house… granted all thats long since been gone since he learned how to manipulate the office to his favor (especially with charging the SS 4x more than anyone else for his weekly trips to maralago…) in his first time, and how hes fucking destroyed the country with his second with how he has undermined everything to go full narcoleptic cartman.
This distinction gives too much credit to democrats and liberals.
“promoted” LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.
Hey I don’t like HRC but this take is pants on head unhinged. Shes not doing anti-LGBT 4D chess, she was just narcissistic/delusional to think she’d be anywhere charismatic enough to convince people internationally to treat LGBT people better.
Do people in the global south & developing world have agency? Or are they simpletons being manipulated by grand puppet masters? If the answer is they have agency, the bigots that live in those places should own their bigotry and you shouldn’t do apologia for them. If the answer is they are simpletons well… ok.
You lack understanding of what I said then went way off the rails with your ridiculous finger wagging. We said the exact same fucking thing. I didn’t say she did it on purpose, I’m saying the way she did it got them thrown under the bus.
I’ll say she did it on purpose. There is no such thing as an unintended negative consequence of democrats’ actions. Not one. If they wanted to get the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn’t have supported genocide. They’ll need a lot of action to fix that. Not words. Democrats have demonstrated how worthless their words are.
If she could give a half decent blowjob the world would be a much nicer place
She tried.
Stop blaming women for aging
Does age make you give worse blowjobs?
No, but she’s not in Bill’s go-to age range. Guess that wasn’t the clear intent
Stop being a half-wit
Sure. You realize how bad trump is, way worse than even Hillary. But it’s Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It’s the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.
It’s so funny how far people go to try to absolve themselves of responsibility.Americans in very specific swing states in manipulated elections voted for Trump. Hilary actually won that election by several million votes. The USA is not a democracy and blaming voters is really a pathetic and wrong understanding of politics.
Ah yes, when it’s Russia then every Russian should suffer for not overthrowing Putin. But when it’s the US, Hillary actually won and “it wasn’t me” anyway, and blaming voters is pathetic.
But it’s Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It’s the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.
Blaming voters for not voting the right way is in fact pathetic, because their elections are fake. They couldn’t have voted differently because their votes don’t matter. I blame Americans but not for the reasons they were suggesting. I absolutely think that people in the US shouldn’t bother to vote and should instead destroy their fake democracy and settler colony. The USA is worse than Russia in every way. It is in fact the US who over threw the Russian government and installed Putin, it is amazing how they think it is the other way around
So she should have shifter further right to try to capture the votes in those specific swing states?
Even if she moved right of Trump she would have lost, median voter theory is horseshit.
So she couldn’t have won no matter what. You’re saying she wasn’t a bad candidate, I guess.
She was such a bad candidate that she personally couldn’t win no matter how far to the right she went. She might have stood a better chance if she treated the left flank of the party like she actually needed their votes.
Why should she have to play games ‘motivating’ people who could see she was significantly better than trump? People didn’t bother to vote against trump - so they got trump. They have no one to blame but themselves.
I am saying she could have won if she moved left and promised to improve the material conditions the people she was asking to vote for her.
Moving right does not earn democrats republican votes, it only decreases their own turnout.
How would that have made her win? Her policy, and the history of the Democratic Party in contrast to the republicans is that she would be better for the people. Better is better. It doesn’t matter how much really. If people wanted better, they would already vote for her.
The elections are fake so, no. The people in the US should force the issue of the abolishment of the electoral college and overturning the citizens united ruling by any means necessary
I feel like you’re looking for a fight, but I don’t disagree. I blame the idiocy and myopicism of my countrymen, too.
I guess we can simply keep losing elections until they educate the entire populace.
I mean, centrists prefer that to moving to the left.
She’s in the same camp as Giuliani: A shitty person, who would have had a much better reputation had they just shut the fuck up.
She was always an awful candidate, and the DNC made a HUGE fucking mistake supporting her. But, after Trump, libs would probably joke about her the way they joke about Al Gore. “If only they had won, we would all be at brunch!”
Instead, she pops up every year or two to punch left, remind everyone she sucks, and then does fuck all for anyone until next time.
