Blind obedience to the papers. No thought required.
Not even that since it says the parents got it corrected, he now has a birth certificate saying he’s a male, but they are still clinging to the first one.
i’m becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of admin workers are just a bit evil, every decision seems to be guided by “what is the most egregious way i can misinterpret and mangle this paperwork?”
just recently there was a guy here in sweden who was fucking pronounced dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and courts ruled that it was an honest mistake??? like what the fuck, why are random admin workers seemingly a separate untouchable ruling class?? We’re not even talking about rich people, it’s just Mary in accounting who is arbitrarily allowed to redirect your wage to her bank account and go unpunished.
So does he have to use the girls’ bathroom, also??
I’m genuinely curious what happens for example if this cis gender boy wants to get married with a cis gender girl. Would that be a gay marriage (I dunno what is the correct term). And if they are in a state where it’s not allowed, how does it go?
(I am not from US. I assume union of same sex is not fully accepted and every state and/or community have different laws and practices)
Gay marriage is legal in every state since 2015. Supreme Court ordered it with Obergefell v Hodges
I like how US laws are cited. “Can Asians own SUV?”. Yes they can since Mathews vs Jonathan in 1994.
Sounds like they threw two people in the pit and the victor of the bout decided the law on that.
For now. That’s next to get the ax on the conservative agenda.
They could make an airbud type movie like this
Nowhere in the rules says a woman with a penis can’t play basketball, in fact the rule book is very light on the mention of genitals at all!
The NBA and NFL both allow women, it’s just at that level it is extremely hard to find anyone who can compete.
Kinda makes me think of some of the early feminist movements thinking that women would become as large and as strong as men if they where rased the same. Its on paper a fair and equal system but reality just happens to be anything but. Then again just about the same percentage of men as woman make it to that level (near enough to zero to be a rounding error).
To be fair: Being “raised” differently does change a fair bit. I know a woman who’s a body builder. She’s way, way stronger than me. Male bodybuilders are still stronger than her, but she’s quite a bit stronger than the average man.
But at professional sports level it all comes down to minute differences, and genetics clearly play a large factor in there.
Most man are also not genetically fitting for most professional-level sports. I’d even go as far as to say that most professional athletes just fit their sport and are also not fitting for most other sports. A football player and a swimmer are just built very differently.
A football player and a swimmer are just built very differently.
American Football uses damn near every body type you can think of. A lineman, wide receiver, quarterback, and kicker are all going to have wildly different body types. I’ve always found that pretty interesting.
Not talking about american things her.
Oh yeah, this is just about that tippy top bit of pro sports.
So after all the hysteria about “biological males” in women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms, they have succeeded in forcing a biological male into women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms.
Just to go full circle on their dumbfuckery, I’d bet that they’ll start advocating for the school to pay to have him transition against his will so his outward appearance will match his birth cert.
It’s basically eugenics the long way round so yeah, it’ll be an instant success with the base
They’ll be grooming him into a femboy soon enough, y’know, because masculine men should dominate inferior males. Not because they’re gay, or anything.
State sponsored thigh highs, mandatory white monster, and full ride scholarships into nuclear engineering and programming!
I mean… I’d take that offer for sure.
“thems the rules” mother fuckers when it’s convenient.
Your gender is what you declare
Your gender is what’s in your pants
Your gender is what I declarei have changed your gender, pray i do not alter it further
Say the 5 middle-aged men on the school board that are probably thrilled at being able to do genital inspections of children. “Sorry, those are the rules that I wrote!”
Finally something all of us can get behind, am I right fellow "DROP TABLE"s?
This is the kind of stupid bullshit republicans create because they don’t solve problems they create contraversies in a lab and then when they actually get voted into office to “solve” them they literally do stupid shit like this.
So glad kids can experience political influence in their personal lives. They will learn what needs to burn down.
A town that shuns a child risk that child burning it down just to feel the warmth.
Can we just separate kids by skill level rather than gender? My middle school cis son loves playing sports, but he’s not very good. He gets discouraged when the better kids bully him because of it.
Skill based matchmaking. Most competitive video games use it. Why not IRL?
Now I’m imagining a kid scoring multiple points and the other parents calling him a smurf
A little blue animated creature? Is that MMO lingo for pretending to be worse than you are like a “pool shark” or what not?
Smurfs happen more in shooters, or competitive games like Rocket League, Smash Bros etc. much less in MMO. It’s easier to be a smurf when the game is skill based, and less or no dependency on what gear you own as it takes much longer to earn top tier gear that helps keep you at top.
Not necessarily MMOs but yes, you create an alternative account with the purpose of being matched with lesser skilled players.
I don’t see why bottom tier teams shouldn’t be co-ed. PE we did co ed sports days all the time and its more about getting exercise than winning.
Maybe, for “rec league” or whatever, but school teams are usually meant to be competitive, and non-gendered sports would mean girls wouldn’t have equitable access to athletics.
But even for non-competitive teams, girls are unlikely to be able to access shared sports to the same level as boys. At a party school I worked at, there was a major challenge with girls being willing to access open gym time, feeling uncomfortable advocating for access to basketball nets for practice—even girls who were on the competitive team felt they couldn’t use open gym time.
TL;DR: Sexism runs deep. We need policies that recognize that and build equity, not just offer “equality” that perpetuates, or even magnifies, the problem.
What’s a party school?
Maybe we just need new sports.
I’m glad the people that had emotional meltdowns over the chance of boys being on girls teams… have made a boy, by their own actions and stupidity, be forced on the girls team
We informed the parent that documentation such as a chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in accordance with policy.
I cannot imagine being the dumbass who said that with a straight face.
I don’t understand why it’s the school asking for this and not whoever updated the birth certificate? How did school administrators become the judges of who is a boy or girl?
republican laws often give the final say to the loudest karen and the cost onto the schools.
My (cis female) birth certificate erroneously was filled out with “male”. Same error happened on the birth certificate of my mother (who is also cis female). It’s never caused either of us any problems. Schools enrolled us as female, driver’s licenses say female, etc.
When I was in college in the early 2000s, my dad’s mother helped me get a copy of my birth certificate, and was horrified her beautiful granddaughter was listed as male. She called up the county clerk and raised Cain, and then informed me it had been corrected. I’ve never needed to get a fresh copy since then, so I don’t know for sure, but it sounded like the word of an angry old lady was enough to get an update filed.
Angry old ladies are the single scariest force on the planet.
Because if you make one angry, then you have to answer to all of their friends, family, caretakers, religious leaders, and bingo dealers.
They are also the reason why we are in this situation in the first play. Angry old lady energy serves both justice and tyranny.
My (cis female) birth certificate erroneously was filled out with “male”. Same error happened on the birth certificate of my mother (who is also cis female).
Do they use drunkards to fill out important registration forms in the US?
There’s something like thirty boxes of information on the thing, and all the others are correct. I suspect whoever was typing it (on a typewriter - this was pre-computers) had several in a row that really were male babies and just got that stuck in their head.
How difficult is it to correct an obviously wrong record in the US?
Used to not be a problem. But people transitioning use the same process to amend their records, so now there’s roadblocks.
They actually sent the school an amended certificate, and a doctor’s note explaining everything. The school just isn’t satisfied.
Depends on how braindead the clerk is.
When you’re doing it matters a lot too. It was much easier before, but now that gender is a huge political football the process has been mucked up
Because their the ones who will be prosecuted under the law if they allow a kid to play on the wrong team.
From reading the articles about this: The birth certificate was already updated, no problem. The school, however, has its internal policy regarding “amended birth certificates”. The school policy says this boy is to be treated as a girl, because his sex is F. It doesn’t go any deeper than that. This is the hell of bureaucracy.
Even according to their own policy they’re not fully treating him as a girl - why is it mandated for him to be using a personal changing room if he is a girl?
This is essentially a contradiction, solely manufactured to alienate him.
Political absurdity aside, I feel really bad for this boy. Middle school is already a peak time of insecurity and tension, and the USA gets worse for everyone every year. Imagine being 14 years old, feeling like your entire town and nation is out to get you, and being right. This is going to be identity-defining trauma that gets regularly brought up by people who think they’re just joking around with the “girls’ basketball team” guy.
It’s so they don’t “lose” in this case and acknowledge it’s stupid because then people might realize it’s stupid in general. They think tormenting this one cis kid is worth it to keep even a single real trans person out of sports because they think it will open the floodgates. That and there’s a decent chance the school administrators legitimately think this kid is trans and part of a massive conspiracy against their school because that’s where we’re at
It’s probably the latter. 98% of Republicans know they’re making shit up when they say “Democrats are baby-eating Satanists” and talk about “Cultural Marxism” and the “Liberal Agenda” – but their supporters genuinely believe it. See: PizzaGate. Someone actually broke into Comet Ping Pong to save the victims of the supposed “sex trafficking” ring.
That’s why the majority of Republicans say such over-the-top absurd meaningless nonsense, when most of them are well-educated by USA standards. (the rest of Republicans, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, seem genuine in their stupidity.)
The school administration is likely a mix of paper-pushers doing bureaucratic cover-your-ass paper-pushing, led by a few zealots who think they’re on the front against the liberal agenda.
Did anyone inform the administration that documentation such as chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in participating with the human race? Because it seems like they might be a slime mold, based on their integrity and decision-making ability.
Feels like malicious compliance to me. But who knows.
Edit: For those downvoting, someone else in the comments pasted a quote about a law that was passed in that state. So I was just speculating that maybe they were maliciously complying to show how ridiculous it is.
Unfortunately, the one experiencing the greatest maliciousness here is the kid.
That’s always the way.
It’s never actually about what’s good for the kids. It’s about control and tribalism
That’s an interesting take. I didn’t think of it until you mentioned it, and now I need this to be true.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed. Also i think the competetivness of american school sport is kind of toxic, it should be about having fun
Ultimate Frisbee did this by forcing a certain number of boys/girl per team. If you don’t impose that you end up with a boys team anyway at high level.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed.
Girls’ teams exist entirely to guarantee girls a number of slots, on the presumption that on average in most sports once you hit puberty generally the boys will start to dramatically outperform the girls due to things like size, upper body strength and other traits that are broadly connected to testosterone levels. Then you have things like chess, where you still have a women’s league, but that basically exists because “not enough” women play chess and the notion is that a smaller talent pool broadly means easier competition that will in turn be more approachable.
Mixed teams in school sports as a general practice won’t happen unless specific minimums are mandated, because it would impact competitiveness.
At the same time, under Title IX, if there is no girl’s team and a girl wants to play a sport she must be allowed to try out and must be allowed to play if she can pass try outs. The reverse is not required under current interpretations, leading to a weirdly discriminatory interpretation of a law banning discrimination.
This is basketball, a sport that rewards tallness. By eighth grade boys are on average taller than girls. Even before you look at other gender differences, girls would be at significant disadvantage.
Many/most people are competitive, and competitiveness doesn’t have to be toxic. It’s fine for you not to be competitive, but people are, and it’s unreasonable to ask them to repress that part of their personality
can everyone play basketball in us schools (if they offer it) or is this like limited (i mean tryouts?)
It’s going to depend on the school and level
Given this example of eighth grade basketball, my kid technically had tryouts but everyone made the team. It was a small school though, and bigger schools may be different. He came in cold, not knowing the game but is a natural athlete. He had fun and learned the game and that one year was enough. I pushed him to play this year because he had been interested, he had a bunch of friends in the team, and he is an athlete. Importantly he’s not really tall enough for basketball, so eighth grade was likely his last chance to play. (It was funny to watch his crew of three soccer players and a hockey player take over the team and try to adjust their skills to a new sport)
Sports tends to get competitive in high school, especially for varsity teams, but there are usually options. For example my kid made the varsity soccer team after competitive tryouts. Part of the competitive nature was encouraging the kids to play competitive club soccer in the off season. To secure his starting spot, my kids spent the off season lifting weights, gaining about 30 lbs of muscle while cutting any remaining fat. Yes it was competitive. But he also joined a town league and a rec league for fun off season because he just loved playing: non-competitive, no tryouts
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i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed
At the middle school age range, girls are typically bigger and stronger than their male peers. Boys don’t catch up until 14-16, at which point they rapidly put on height and mass to exceed their girl peers.
And what about it? It’s been demonstrated within equality movements that statistical biological strength corresponding to sex does not always correspond to actual performance.
Mixed sports will allow a more inclusive learning style, which technically will allow a greater variety of skills to be develop and more opportunities for the future.
It’s been demonstrated within equality movements that statistical biological strength corresponding to sex does not always correspond to actual performance.
Depends heavily on the sport and the quality of coaching. Direct contact sports - football in particular - present real risks to the players when there’s a big disparity in size and strength.
But then there’s an argument that middle/high school contact sports shouldn’t be allowed to begin with, precisely because of the risk of injury.
big disparity in size and strength
So what you’re essentially saying is we should make decisions based on the individuals weight class rather than gender?
That would be the logical thing to do.
Although, even then no public school should be sponsoring full contact sports, full stop.
Yeah, that will work out well. I cannot think of a sport that is played in school that would fair to the girls if all sports were mixed teams. By the time kids are 13-14 years old, the boys are starting to get to be bigger, taller, faster, and stronger. And the disparity only gets worse as they age.
And one of the driving tenants of sports IS to teach competitiveness.
Why should we be teaching competitiveness? That’s how you turn society into individuals who only look out for their own needs and are apathetic when you do things like a fascist coup. Oh wait…
Nah, I’d much rather be teaching kids cooperation.
(Sports are still great, but not for the reason of teaching competitiveness).
Competition is literally the basis of almost every sport. How would hockey, for example, be played without competition?
I’m saying we shouldn’t teach competitiveness as a value in and of itself. Competition in sports is fine.
In my school we had boys the same age who had a foot of height and 80 pounds of weight difference between them. There are better ways to divide competition other than gender.
Yep. I was 6’4" by the time I was a junior in school and I had a large physical advantage is sports. But size isn’t the only advantage either. Skills and co-ordination with team members matter more.
I feel like that could be fixed by just doing a weight class so gender does not become the factor but overall strength and that also gives the opportunity for weaker boys to play sports and not get boxed out in boys only sports and stronger girls “like girls with PCOS” to not dominate girl Sports.
Or maybe it’s already fixed by larger schools having multiple teams, such as varsity, Jv, freshmen. Or different leagues, like rec leagues, town leagues. Or gym class sports which are never competitive.
But it’s ridiculous to think it fair if the high level teams are essentially all boys, and the girls are stuck on the crappy team with boys who can’t play. No one will be happy with that
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition no matter what you think you are doing to prevent that. Humans are naturally competitive. Like it or not.
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition
In my experience, it’s the parents that need to make every Little League Rec scrimmage into the final game of the world series.
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition
Are you the kids?
I used to be. And it’s been a longass time since I was. But I have raised 4 kids AND I have taught math in a school. Kids, and all humans for that matter are competitive. From skipping rope, to running, to racing lawnmowers, to bake offs, and gardening. Humans have an incredibly wide streak of competition.
No but he has been a kid, we all have. We are literally all experts in this field assuming you weren’t home schooled or avoided all extra curriculars.
My initial question wasn’t about individualistic viewpoints. The question is, are you an expert In knowing others intentions other than yourself?
Sex segregation in childrens sports is legitimately a powerful indoctrinating force for binary sexism and the enforcement of gender roles.
Now do same sex schools
Makes sense. Although when you word it that way my first thought was to expect teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers the Philly Sandwiches
The principal really needs to read the law. This school is so fucked.
https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-15-education/az-rev-st-sect-15-120-02/
The law in question only prohibits biological males from participating in female sports. It does not prohibit females from joining boys teams. Compare and contrast sections “B” and “C”:
B. Athletic teams or sports designated for “females”, “women” or “girls” may not be open to students of the male sex.
C. This section does not restrict the eligibility of any student to participate in any interscholastic or intramural athletic team or sport designated as being for “males”, “men” or “boys” or designated as “coed” or “mixed”.
I also thought this was pretty interesting:
E. Any student who is deprived of an athletic opportunity or suffers any direct or indirect harm as a result of a school knowingly violating this section has a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law against the school.
This is literally one of these first things they teach in a (at least NY public high schools) coaching course.
AFAIK, when a law says something like “This section does not [do something]” It’s usually because some other law explicitly prohibits [something]. Without such language, the two laws could be seen as conflicting.
I think excluding girls from boys teams violates Title IX.
Title IX requires gender equity in access and spending. It doesn’t strictly require women to access men’s sports, but it does require the school fully fund/admit women to equivalent in the abstract.
So, for instance, if you spend $100k/year on the boys-only football program, you need $100k dedicated to a girl accessible sport (typically volleyball or softball or soccer).
This is not at all accurate. If a girl wants to play a sport for which there is a boys team but not girls team, she must be allowed to try out and participate on the same basis as the boys (a boys team is really an “everyone” team - this actually applies beyond schools and Title IX as no professional sports league in the US actually bars women from competing). Only girls/women’s teams get to set restrictions with respect to sex/gender. For Title IX, this is a wildly discriminatory interpretation of a low that bans discrimination, but it’s the one that has been in use for years.
And Title IX doesn’t require equal funding, but something much more nebulous about impact and opportunity that makes the whole thing kind of intentionally wishy washy so anyone they need to be can not be in compliance. To make it even more impossible to actually comply, questions of funding and opportunity are not limited to what the school itself supplies, so for example anything donated by parents or volunteers (such as the work of a booster club) also counts. So for example, if you cut funding to a boys team and parents more than make up the shortfall in donations and fundraising, it’s entirely possible based on that you might have to cut it further. Related, this kind of thing is why less popular boys sports are prone to being cut at the drop of a hat - football and sometimes boys basketball make money, most other sports teams lose money so the school is incentivized not to make cuts from King Football or Prince Basketball, but they have to target equal opportunity and impact between boys and girls athletic spending which means they spend what they’re willing to have as a cost on girls teams and cut whatever boys teams they need to cut to avoid cutting into the football budget, because the football budget has an ROI.
Per NFHS website (https://nfhs.org/stories/title-ix-compliance-part-iv-frequently-asked-questions):
FAQ: Does Title IX require that 50 percent of our athletic budget be spent on girls programs and 50 percent be spent on our boys programs? Answer: No. The key to allocating financial resources under Title IX is the overall impact of expenditures – does your school’s allocation of financial resources provide equivalence of athletics opportunities and benefits to boys and girls. Although this will result, in most cases, in an approximate 50-50 budgetary allocation, Title IX does not require a strictly proportional division of dollars.
FAQ: Our school offers soccer for boys, but not for girls. Does Title IX require that we allow girls to play on the boys team? Answer: Title IX requires that in sports where a girls team is not offered, girls must be allowed to try out for the boys team and participate on the same basis as boys. This does not mean that a girl automatically gets to be on the team. She has to try out and make the team on the same basis as any boy would have to try out and make the team. She can also be cut from the team, but only on the same basis as a boy could be cut from the team – for an objectively verifiable lack of ability or a lack of size, strength, skill and experience making participation unsafe.
FAQ: Our school offers volleyball for girls, but not for boys. Does Title IX require that we allow boys to play on the girls team? Answer: No. Although there have been a few, isolated lawsuits where boys have obtained injunctions to allow them to participate on a girls team for which their schools offered no same-sport equivalent for boys, the courts generally rule that the purpose of Title IX is to remedy past inequities of athletics opportunity for the historically under-represented gender – females – and that if boys are allowed to participate on girls teams, they will because of height, weight and strength advantages come to dominate the membership of those teams, and thereby decrease the competitive opportunities for women. Therefore, in the vast majority of cases, the courts have not permitted boys to play on girls teams, even if there is not a same-sport boys team.
If a girl wants to play a sport for which there is a boys team but not girls team, she must be allowed to try out and participate on the same basis as the boys
Sure. And occasionally you get a girl to qualify. Sarah Fuller as the place kicker for Vanderbilt Commodores, for instance.
But the disparity in builds - particularly in a high contact sport like football - makes women qualifying virtually impossible.
So for example, if you cut funding to a boys team and parents more than make up the shortfall in donations and fundraising, it’s entirely possible based on that you might have to cut it further.
This was in response to early efforts to effectively privatize student athletics and freeze women’s sports out.
I’m sure it’s a matter of time before our current patriarchy fetish SCOTUS to reverse this out. But for the time being, you can’t just find a few mega-donors to create a “Private Men’s Club” on a public campus. What is ultimately being measured is access, which does get nebulous, but is necessarily the case when so many misogynists are intent on digging out loopholes to render Title XI toothless.
The law in question only prohibits biological males from participating in female sports. It does not prohibit females from joining boys teams.
There’s a simple reason for that - the second sentence is required under current interpretations of Title IX, while the first is not. The argument for that is about girl’s sports being a sort of protected space for girls, so it’s OK to bar non-girls (however your jurisdiction chooses to define that) from girls sports, but “boys” sports are actually for everyone who can compete.
The problem is the Trump administration is pushing for this. They’re saying schools can only allow students to play on teams based on their assigned gender at birth. The federal government is using coercion to force states to comply
There is no specific law to follow, since it’s just based on the whims of the federal government. The punishment is withholding funding. There is to judge, jury, or courts of any kind involved. Simply the federal government refusing to release funding if they dislike what states are doing. The AZ law is comparatively toothless
The effect of this is the same as it always is with these types of capricious authoritarian governments: A chilling effect. Actors are overly cautious to avoid drawing the wrath of the powerful central government – Trump in this case
It really sounds like somebody in the Queen Creek School District wanted to make a political issue out of him. Presumably, as cited in the article, the state law they pointed to enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. It doesn’t matter where you are in the political aisle, it’s pretty shameless to exploit this politically, even if it’s just so they can go “look at how senseless this law is!” by making an issue out of its strictest interpretation.
which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport.
His biological sex is female. At least, according to the laws that transphobes have written. The problem with the term “biological sex” is that it’s far more complicated than conservatives pretend.
For example, I’m a trans woman myself. If I had been born with an (age appropriate) of the body I have now, I would have been assigned female at birth. And according to all these new Jim Crow laws, I would be required to use the female facilities and accommodations, literally having the exact same body I do now.
You can try to claim that sex is chromosomes, but a biologist would laugh in your face. There is so much variance to human biological development that chromosomes don’t begin to fully describe natal biological sex. And even if you ignored all that and went with chromosomes anyway? You could just genetically test everyone. But then conservative voters would hate that. The purpose of these laws is to destroy trans people, not to inconvenience cis people. And legislators don’t want to force white suburban parents to pay $2000 for chromosome testing whenever their kid wants to join a sports team.
What else could they use? They could use hormones. A very good argument can be made that hormones simply are a person’s biological sex. Hormones are what after all causes someone to actually develop a penis or vagina in the first place. So why not use a cheap blood test and assign sports based on hormones? Well, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people. And it’s pretty easy to alter your hormones. Conservatives need rigid, unalterable, lifelong sex categories. Without those, they wouldn’t be able to justify forcing women to be second class citizens.
What else? You could use physical features. You could have a coach visually inspect the genitals of every student who signs up for a team, but that has obvious problems. The coaching profession already is a magnet for pedophiles. Plus, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people, not inconvenience cis people. And no parents wants the coach looking at their kid’s junk.
That’s the problem with laws like this. That’s what trans people have been shouting from the rooftops for years, but we’ve been ignored. The concept of “biological sex” is hopelessly vague. The use of the term is just a way of putting up a “no tr*nnies allowed” sign while attempting to be legally defensible. It’s completely unworkable as a tool of assigning sports teams or public accomodations. So instead, the laws were written to use the only tool available: birth certificates. Legally speaking, in Republican states, the sex on your birth certificate IS your biological sex. Your actual genetics, gonads, hormones, etc are completely irrelevant. If your original birth certificate says F, you are female, forever. Your actual biology is irrelevant, you are biologically female, legally speaking.
So no, this isn’t just some cruel political statement. This is the law being implemented exactly the way it was written. Trans people warned folks that any attempt to legislate trans people out of existence would have numerous knock-on effects for cis people. But in these states, they were too excited about the possibility of getting to destroy a few trans folks to worry about whatever those trans folks were screeching about.
You cannot just use “biological sex” in a law. You have to define precisely what that phrase means. And as conservatives don’t like the definition of “biological sex” that actual biologists come up with, they have to try to craft a legal definition that destroys trans people without inconveniencing cis people. And that simply isn’t possible. There’s no way to write legislation that destroys trans people without also harming a few cis people as collateral damage.
This isn’t inconveniencing anyone but the 1% of the 1% of cases. If you are going make a political tirade out of this, you should choose your punching bag better, this isn’t even vague at all but just a bureaucratic mistake. There are cases where the term biological sex can be “hopelessly vague” but this isn’t it as much as you might like it otherwise, and this just makes the people behind the decision look bad.
The kid identifies as cis, everyone of his classmates see him for his gender, hormone and chromosomal expression are likely standard cis. People better hope that it can’t be traced back to any sort of political baggage, or that if it is, that it is due to conservative influence, because this is going to backfire spectacularly. It isn’t going to make or break any of the laws behind it, but it is illustrating a certain lack of humanity on the people enforcing the law, and that gives mouthpieces with an axe to grind something to barrage behind.
Kudos on being trans and defending “the law is the law” in regards to transphobic laws. Wanna know a secret? They don’t care about the law, look at Trump. Another secret, the law itself is only defined by when its chosen to be enforced, cue hundreds of outdated laws still on the books. Sarcasm aside, the sadism of sharing the pain is never constructive, but isn’t even really applicable in this case, this is just an article blowing up because a newspaper needed to sell stories and fight against the bureaucracy is always an enticing one.
Mental gymnastics cannot make up for a lack of humanity, which is precisely the problem of transphobes. I’d recommend emulating them less in this regard just because you think you can argue a hallmark out of the case.
I think the point was that “biological sex” is a legal term, not a biological one. Hence the application of the law here, irregardless of what this kid’s actual situation is. It’s a demonstration of why this law is stupid, and what stupid things a school board has to do to remain compliant.
They’re almost certainly not grouping the kid with the girls out of spite, but to avoid being liable for not doing so if someone were to find out this kid is, according to the law, “biologically female”. The school has to protect itself from this liability, and thus we get this extreme example of the law being stupid.
If that was it, they could just have obtained a signed affidavit from the parents and perhaps their doctors that what is on the birth certificate was a mistake and that they are in the process of resolving it.
And liability from whom, the state government? Other parents? Law doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it has to be enforced and in cases like this is enforced in a court, the lawsuit would have to come from some place it is not realistically going to come form. The law might be stupid, but there are no shortage of stupid laws no one gives shit about “liability” because they are not enforced: https://go2tutors.com/14-forgotten-u-s-laws-that-still-technically-exist/
The law does not provide room for the birth certificate being mistaken I’m afraid.
And yes, there’s a chance the state could come after them, or some other parent or activist group could citing this law. Hence them attempting to shut down this potential liability. They can’t risk enforcement, so they won’t.
Gonna have to disagree on those chances (can’t help but notice the complete silence on the rest of the absurd laws on record with equally insignificant chances of getting prosecuted for that I linked for - too inconvenient to acknowledge?), and the law literally does, which is why the parents can get it corrected. It just takes time. The article literally states they are doing this.
Those other absurd laws aren’t remotely relevant, hence the lack of acknowledgement. Many are irrelevant or very old. There is a large movement in the US that seeks to demonize trans people in sports, and this law isn’t that old, so in the current political climate there’s definitely a non-zero chance it gets acted upon.
And that the law allows you to correct your birth certificate does not mean that the law assumes your future to-be-corrected certificate is currently legally valid. I’m sure they’ll get it resolved eventually, but at that moment the school felt they had to apply the law.
If that was it, they could just have obtained a signed affidavit from the parents and perhaps their doctors
A trans person could take advantage of the same mechanism, which is why it’s not allowed. They care more about hurting trans people than they worry about the few cis kids that fall through the cracks. This kid was just acceptable collateral damage in their culture war.
It is allowed. Doesn’t matter if the trans person takes advantage of the same mechanism, the difference would be they would be the ones liable for lying. That’s what an affidavit does, transfers and diminishes liability.
